Pendulum Problem: Solve 100 Oscillations in 50cm Rod

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The discussion revolves around a pendulum problem involving a rod and a point mass, focusing on calculating the period of oscillation and the total moment of inertia. The pendulum is described with specific parameters including length, mass, and moment of inertia.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the period of a pendulum and the application of the parallel axis theorem to find the total moment of inertia. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the pivot point and the correct application of formulas.

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Participants are actively discussing the correct approach to calculating the moment of inertia and the implications of the pivot point's location. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the parallel axis theorem, and there is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions made in the problem setup.

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There is a noted lack of information regarding the radius of the point mass, and participants are questioning the implications of this on their calculations. The original poster's understanding of the moment of inertia and its application is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement



A pendulum is composed of a thin rod of length L = 50 cm, a moment of inertia of I = 0.2kgm2 with respect to its center and mass M = 400g. Attached to the bottom of the rod is a point mass (m = 200g). The pendulum swings in a vertical plane, attached by the top end to the ceiling.

Homework Equations



T = 2∏√(I/Mg x d)
*I think*

The Attempt at a Solution



T = 2∏√(.2/(.4)(10) x .25)

No radius was given for the point mass, so I assumed the moment of inertia of center of mass is .2kgm2 and therefore the distance of center of mass (d) would be L/2 or .25m

Did I go about solving this correctly?

Also, the second problem asks: How long will it take for the pendulum to perform 100 oscillations?

Would I simply multiple the period I found from the first part by 100?

Thank you all for your time and consideration.
 
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No radius was given for the point mass, so I assumed the moment of inertia of center of mass is .2kgm2 and therefore the distance of center of mass (d) would be L/2 or .25m
Don't guess.
It helps to sketch the situation out:

- Which part of the rod is attached to the ceiling?
- Which part of the rod has the point mass attached to it?

You are given the moment of inertia for a rod pivoted at the center of mass - but that is not where the rod is pivoted - so you need to adjust this (hint: parallel axis theorem).

Would I simply multiple the period I found from the first part by 100?
... yes.
The question is basically checking if you understand what "one period" means.

It's good to see you thinking beyond what's in the question - just remember that everything you want to assert has to be justified by something said inside the problem statement.
 
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Hmm, I see.

The equation for moment of inertia at end of rod is Iend = mL2/3

Therefore, Iend = 1.33 kgm2

From my understanding of using the parallel axis theorem to calculate moment of inertia of a system, one would simply add up the inertias.

Isystem = Icom + Iend of rod + Ipoint mass

Isystem = .2kgm2 + 1.33kgm2 + 2.00kgm2

Isystem = 3.53kgm2

Does this sound more reasonable?
 
From my understanding of using the parallel axis theorem to calculate moment of inertia of a system, one would simply add up the inertias.
That's not how the parallel axis theorem works.

You should only have two terms to calculate inertia: ##I_{tot}=I_{rod}+I_{point}##

You can just look up the inertia for the rod-pivoted-about-one-end.
However, since the question tells you the com inertia, they are expecting you to use that and the parallel axis theorem. Either way is correct but both together is not.

Aside: interesting... the PF spell-checker does not accept either "inertias" or "inertiæ" (accepted plurals for "inertia").
 
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