Periodicity properties of complex exponentials in discrete/continuous time

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The discussion revolves around the periodicity properties of complex exponentials in both discrete and continuous time contexts. The original poster presents equations for continuous time, x(t) = e^(j*ω*t), and discrete time, x[n] = e^(j*ω*n), and seeks clarification on the conditions for periodicity in each case.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the condition for periodicity in discrete time requires ω/2π to be rational, while in continuous time, it can be expressed as T = 2kπ/ω without such restrictions. Participants explore the implications of these conditions and question the differences in periodicity requirements between the two time domains.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, providing insights into the reasoning behind the periodicity conditions. Some have offered examples to illustrate their points, and the discussion is exploring various interpretations of the periodicity criteria without reaching a consensus.

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The discussion highlights the distinction between discrete and continuous time systems, particularly in relation to the nature of N in discrete time, which must be an integer, versus the flexibility of T in continuous time. This difference is central to the questions being raised.

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hello I have a question about the periodicity of complex exponential in discrete time and continuous time

in continuous time we have x(t) = e^(j*ω*t)

while in discrete time we have x[n] = e^j(ω*n)

for the first in order to show whether its periodic we say

x(t+T) = x(t) => ...=> T = 2*k*π/ω and the fundamental period is for k = 0 hence T0 = 2*π/ω i can understand this

for the second my book says that

x[n+N] = x[n] => ... => e^(j*ω*N) = 1 => ω/2*π = m/N

hence ω/2π must be rational

what i don't get is why for the discrete time it must be rational while for the continuous time it can be just 2k*π/ω

I mean, we could find in continuous time the same thing like

Τ*ω = 2*π*m => ω/2π = m/T

hence ω/2π must be rational.. but why don't we say this?

can someone please tell me what's the difference? thanks
 
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Hi Jncik! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
Jncik said:
… for the second my book says that

x[n+N] = x[n] => ... => e^(j*ω*N) = 1 => ω/2*π = m/N

hence ω/2π must be rational

what i don't get is why for the discrete time it must be rational while for the continuous time it can be just 2k*π/ω …

because if ω/2π = 1/√2, say, then ej*ω*N = ej*π*N/√2 will never be 1 :wink:

(because j*π*N/√2 will never be a multiple of 2π)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Jncik! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)


because if ω/2π = 1/√2, say, then ej*ω*N = ej*π*N/√2 will never be 1 :wink:

(because j*π*N/√2 will never be a multiple of 2π)


hi thanks for your answer

but why doesn't the same thing apply to the case where it is continuous?

i mean why in continuous time we have no such restrictions?
 
because if N doesn't have to be a whole number, π*N/√2 can be a multiple of 2π …

eg with N = 2√2 :wink:
 
i see now, thanks my friend you helped me a lot :)
 

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