Relationship between period and time in oscillators

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the period and frequency of a weakly damped oscillator, specifically focusing on how the amplitude decay relates to the oscillator's frequency compared to an undamped oscillator. The original poster attempts to derive a relationship based on the given amplitude decay over multiple periods.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the decay constant and the period of oscillation, with the original poster attempting to manipulate equations involving amplitude and frequency. Questions arise regarding the introduction of variables and the role of the phase angle in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the correct placement of variables in the equations. There is an exploration of the connections between angular frequency and period, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the equations for damped oscillators, with specific attention to the assumptions regarding amplitude and the implications of the phase angle. The original poster expresses confusion about certain aspects of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


If the amplitude of a weakly damped oscillator decreased to 1/e of its initial value after n periods, show that the frequency of the oscillator must be approximately [1 − (8π2n2)-1] times the frequency of an undamped oscillator with the same natural frequency.

Homework Equations


The equation for a weakly damped harmonic oscillator is x(t) =Ae-βtcos(ω1t-δ) where ω1 = sqrt(ωo22)
A = amplitude
β = decay constant
ω1 = period for damped oscillator
ωo = natural frequency
T = period
t = time
δ = phase angle

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the amplitude was initially Ae-βt and finally 1/e, I solved for t=1/β or β=1/t. I then took the equation ω1 = sqrt(ωo22) and did an expansion to the second term which gave me that ω1o(1-β2/2ωo2). Ridding of β2 for 1/t gives me ω1o(1-1/2ωo2t2). I can then replace ωo with 2πn/T and then I would almost have the correct answer, but for that t= T which doesn't make sense. Also as an aside do I not have to include the phase angle (so I can make it zero) since I'm not measuring the oscillator in reference to another one? Or is it there due to impedance or something?
 
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You're introducing ##n## in the wrong place. If ##1/\beta## is the time for ##n## periods, you can say ##1/\beta = n(2\pi/\omega_1)##.
 
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Okay, can you explain why that is?
 
How are the angular frequency of the damped oscillator ##\omega_1## and the period ##T## related?
 

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