Permutations: Explaining & Finding A, A^-1 & 2 Examples of σ

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The discussion revolves around the concept of permutations, specifically focusing on defining a permutation, converting it into disjoint cycle notation, finding its inverse, and identifying examples of permutations that are their own inverses. The scope includes theoretical understanding and mathematical reasoning related to permutations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the definition of a permutation and how to express a given permutation in disjoint cycle notation.
  • Another participant confirms that the identity permutation is a valid example of a permutation that is its own inverse.
  • Discussion includes examples of permutations, with one participant suggesting that transpositions like (1 2) satisfy the condition σ = σ^-1.
  • There is uncertainty about whether this property holds for all transpositions, with participants noting that (1234) does not satisfy σ = σ^-1.
  • One participant proposes a permutation of the form σ=(13)(254) and questions whether it can also be expressed in a different cycle structure while still being equal to its inverse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the identity permutation is an example of a permutation that is its own inverse. However, there is disagreement regarding whether all transpositions satisfy the condition σ = σ^-1, as some examples do not hold this property.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which a permutation can be equal to its inverse, particularly regarding the structure of transpositions and other forms of permutations.

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Let n ∈ N. Explain what is meant by saying that π is a permutation of n = {1, 2, . . . , n}.
The permutation A is given below in two line notation. Write A in disjoint cycle notation.

1 2 3 4 5
3 5 1 2 4

Find A^-1, writing your answer in disjoint cycle notation. Give two examples of permutations σ of 5 which satisfy σ = σ^-1 but which have different cycle structure.

I am able to write A in disjoint cycle notation and find the inverse. However I am having problems with the final part. Would it make sense for σ to be the identity permutation since
1->1, 2->2, 3->3 etc. Unsure of another example though, any guidance towards an answer would be great, thanks!
 
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Hi katesmith! :smile:

The identity permutation is good here! Let's find another one. Let's assume for simplicity that the disjoint cycle notation of sigma has only one nontrivial cycle. For example,

[tex]\sigma=(1~2)~\text{or}~\sigma=(1~2~3~4)[/tex]

For which such permutations does it holds that [itex]\sigma=\sigma^{-1}[/itex]??
 
Hi :)

Is it right to say that for your given example that,

σ=(12)=σ^-1

When σ=(1234), I know that σ^-1=(1432). But I am unsure what permutation holds for σ=σ^-1.
 
So, you've figured out that [itex]\sigma^{-1}=\sigma[/itex]for transpositions (1 2). Does it hold for every transposition? Can you use that information?
 
Surely it can't hold for every transposition, as in the case for the transposition σ=(1234), σ≠σ^-1?
 
katesmith410 said:
Surely it can't hold for every transposition, as in the case for the transposition σ=(1234), σ≠σ^-1?

A transposition is something that just exchanges two elements. So (1 2) and (2 3) are transpositions, but (1 2 3 4) is not. I should have said that...
 
Oh right, I think i understand now! So am I right in saying then that for every transposition σ=σ^-1?
So for my question, σ=(13)(254) but can i also say that σ=(13)(25)(54)(42)? Therefore σ would be equal to its inverse?
 

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