Permutations in rotations and reflections

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The discussion revolves around the permutations associated with the symmetries of a regular pentagon, specifically focusing on rotations and reflections. The original poster is attempting to calculate a specific composition of these symmetries.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster presents their understanding of the problem and the representations of the symmetries as permutations. They express confusion about the calculation process and the meaning of expressing the result as a symmetry of the pentagon.

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Some participants clarify that the calculation involves composing the permutations in a specified order. There is an acknowledgment of the need to understand how to perform this composition and what the final expression should represent.

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The original poster mentions specific permutations for the rotation and reflection but seeks further clarification on the calculation and its implications. There is a reference to the identity permutation in the context of the rotations.

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Hi all, I've been having difficulty with the following question.

Let P be a regular pentagon. Let R be the rotation of P by 72degrees anticlockwise and let F be the reflection of P in the vertical line of symmetry. Represent R and F by permutations and hence calculate: F R^2 F R F^3 R^3 F, expressing this first as a permutation and then as a symmetry of P.I think I've correctly worked out R as the cycle (15432) and F = (25)(34). I've written these as permutations however, I don't understand how to do the calculation asked for and what it means by 'expressing as a symmetry of P'.

Any ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
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The calculation is just the composition of the R and F permutations, in the specified order. In your case, you first rotate counterclockwise by 72 degrees (F), then reflect three times (here, you may use the fact that R2=I, where I is the identity), then rotate again by 3x72 degrees, etc.

The final expression should express a symmetry.
 
JSuarez said:
The calculation is just the composition of the R and F permutations, in the specified order. In your case, you first rotate counterclockwise by 72 degrees (F), then reflect three times (here, you may use the fact that R2=I, where I is the identity), then rotate again by 3x72 degrees, etc.

The final expression should express a symmetry.


So, I should work out the permutations for F, R^2, ... etc. and then multiply them all in the order stated. Is this what you're saying? (Sorry I didn't quite understand).
 
Yes, that's pretty much it.
 
JSuarez said:
Yes, that's pretty much it.

Ok, thank you. =)
 

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