Perpendicular vectors, triangle, tetrahedron

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The discussion revolves around proving vector relationships and geometric properties involving triangles and tetrahedrons. The original poster attempts to establish that if certain vector conditions hold, then specific geometric results about perpendicular lines and edges can be derived.

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  • Participants explore the use of vector coordinates and question whether coordinate attribution is necessary for solving vector problems. There is a suggestion to use the distributive rule instead.
  • Some participants question how to define vectors that are perpendicular to the sides of a triangle and express confusion about the geometric implications of the vector equations.
  • There are inquiries about the meaning of 'opposite edges' in the context of a tetrahedron and how to apply vector definitions to find perpendicular lines.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing hints and exploring different approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of vector notation and the choice of origin, but there remains a lack of clarity on specific steps to take for the geometric results.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions and implications of the vector relationships, particularly in relation to the geometric configurations of triangles and tetrahedrons. Participants are also navigating the constraints of homework rules that may limit their approaches.

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Prove that, if (c - b).a = 0 and (c - a).b = 0, then (b - a).c = 0. Show that this can be used to prove the following geometric results:
a. The lines through the vertices of a triangle ABC perpendicular to the opposite sides meet in a point.
b. If the tetrahedron OABC has two pairs of perpendicular opposite edges, the third pair of edges is perpendicular.
Prove that also, in both cases, (OA)^2 + (BC)^2 = (OB)^2 + (CA)^2 = (OC)^2 + (AB)^2


The Attempt at a Solution



So for the very first task I proceeded by attributing coordinates to each vector: a = (x(1), y(1), z(1)), b = (x(2), y(2), z(2), c = (x(3), y(3), z(3)), where the numbers are actually at the bottom left of the coordinates, but I don't know how to use that notation here.
Anyway I could post all my work but it would take a long time; I didn't have much of a problem at all with the first task and proved that (b - a).c = 0. It took a while though, as you can imagine; is there another way to solve problems like this, or does one always have to use attributed coordinates and deal with those?

With a. and b. I'm stuck, however.
a. I usually would try to solve a question like this by taking into account the end result and what exactly I'm supposed to end up with (and often work backwards to return to the given results), but here I'm not sure at all what you end up with algebraically when three vectors meet. What am I looking for? Also I'm confused on how to find the vectors that are perpendicular to the opposite sides, how to formulate them with regard to the coordinates of A, B and C.
b. Here I immediately became confused as to what is meant by 'opposite edges'. But besides that it seems to be a fairly straightforward variation of the very first task, am I correct?
The last task seems simple as well, as I would just take the attributed coordinates and reformulate the magnitudes of the given vectors to be equivalent, perhaps with some help from the result in the first task. I haven't tackled this one yet.
 
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hi furor celtica! :smile:
furor celtica said:
It took a while though, as you can imagine; is there another way to solve problems like this, or does one always have to use attributed coordinates and deal with those?

no! never use coordinates to solve vector problems unless you have to!

the whole point of vector notation is that it makes things easier! o:)

in this case, use the distributive rule :smile:
a. The lines through the vertices of a triangle ABC perpendicular to the opposite sides meet in a point.

hint: choose a suitable origin :wink:
 
how should i solve the first task then?
 
use the distributive rule :smile:
 
haha ok i feel silly now. I'm still stuck on a., though.
 
furor celtica said:
haha ok i feel silly now.

he he :biggrin:
I'm still stuck on a., though.

hint: (c - b).(a - 0) :wink:
 
really not seeing it! what do you mean by 'suitable origin'? And what is the end result I'm looking for, exactly?
 
what is the geometric meaning (in words) of (c - b).(a - 0) = 0 ? :wink:
 
vector BC is perpendicular to the position vector of A
 
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ok, and how would you choose the position of O so as to apply that to the question? :wink:
furor celtica said:
a. The lines through the vertices of a triangle ABC perpendicular to the opposite sides meet in a point.
 
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take O and A as the same point?
 
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furor celtica said:
take O and A as the same point?

how does that help? :confused:

you want OA to be a line
 
  • #13
gnaaargh its your fault being all mysterious. i really don't see it man, I've been going over this question for ages so I'm probably missing the really obvious, but could you just be a bit clearer?
 
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furor celtica said:
Prove that, if (c - b).a = 0 and (c - a).b = 0, then (b - a).c = 0. Show that this can be used to prove the following geometric results:
a. The lines through the vertices of a triangle ABC perpendicular to the opposite sides meet in a point.

how would you use vectors to define the line through vertex A perpendicular to the opposite side, BC?
 

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