Perpetuum Mobile and Gravitation

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SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the law of conservation of energy as it relates to tidal power generation and the gravitational interactions between the Earth and the Moon. Participants assert that the energy extracted from tidal power does not violate conservation laws, as the energy comes from the kinetic energy of the Earth’s rotation and the gravitational potential energy of the Moon. The Moon's orbit is gradually increasing in distance from Earth, which is a consequence of tidal forces, and this process conserves total energy within the system. The conversation also touches on the implications of black holes and their gravitational effects, reinforcing that energy is conserved in these interactions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the law of conservation of energy
  • Basic knowledge of gravitational interactions and tidal forces
  • Familiarity with classical mechanics and orbital dynamics
  • Concepts of kinetic and potential energy in physics
NEXT STEPS
  • Research tidal power generation and its relationship with gravitational forces
  • Study the implications of general relativity on energy conservation
  • Explore the effects of tidal friction on the Earth-Moon system
  • Investigate the physics of black holes and their gravitational influence
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Physicists, students of physics, engineers involved in renewable energy, and anyone interested in the mechanics of celestial bodies and energy conservation principles.

  • #31
shlosmem said:
humans with their muscles or with their machines
Human made things can certainly change the momentum of objects, without spending energy. A stick connecting two masses rotating in space changes their momentum.
 
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  • #32
shlosmem said:
I’m asking about the process when we apply a force over an object but no energy is spent.

Consider a heavy object resting on a table. The table is applying an upwards force to the object (otherwise the object would move downwards because of gravity) but spends no energy doing so.

The table can support the weight forever without getting tired.
 
  • #33
Ok, Thank you all.
I really appreciate it.
 
  • #34
shlosmem said:
So you are basically saying I can open any screw without spending any energy? this is good news.

No, we are not saying that.

To turn a screw, you will apply tangential forces in opposite directions on opposite sides. As the screw turns, the point of application of these forces moves, so the distance in ##W=Fd## is non-zero. The force is obviously also non-zero, so there's work being done.

It's a different story if the screw doesn't turn. If it's so stuck that the force you're applying doesn't move it, then it's just like the table supporting a weight that I mentioned above - you can lean on the end of your wrench all day without doing any useful work. You will get tired because human muscles burn energy just sitting there, but if you were to hang a weight off the end of the wrench it could sit there forever, twisting the bolt but not moving it.
 

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