Perturbation Theory: Calculating for the correction on the ground state energy

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The discussion revolves around perturbation theory, specifically focusing on calculating the correction to the ground state energy of a hydrogen atom when considering a finite-sized nucleus instead of a point nucleus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integral representation of the energy correction and question whether to use the potential energy of the point nucleus or the perturbation due to the finite nucleus. There is uncertainty about how to proceed with the integral and the nature of the perturbation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the perturbation and its relation to the Hamiltonian, while others are exploring the implications of using different potential energy functions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to mathematically express the perturbation.

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Participants are considering the assumptions made in the original problem regarding the nucleus's size and the implications for the potential energy function. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on the definitions and mathematical expressions involved.

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E_{1}=<ψ_{1}|V(r)|ψ_{1}>

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That is equal to the integral ∫ψVψd^3r

So I'll just perform the integral, correct ? But r is not constant here right? So, I' ll keep it inside the integral? How should I continue? Please help. Thanks. :))
 
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jhosamelly said:
E_{1}=<ψ_{1}|V(r)|ψ_{1}>That is equal to the integral ∫ψVψd^3r

So I'll just perform the integral, correct ? But r is not constant here right? So, I' ll keep it inside the integral?

Right, ##r## is a variable of integration.

Something to think about: In the integral should you use the potential energy ##V(r)## as stated in the problem or the perturbation ##\delta V(r)## of the potential energy (due to switching from the potential energy of a point nucleus to the potential energy of a finite-sized nucleus)?
 
TSny said:
Right, ##r## is a variable of integration.

Something to think about: In the integral should you use the potential energy ##V(r)## as stated in the problem or the perturbation ##\delta V(r)## of the potential energy (due to switching from the potential energy of a point nucleus to the potential energy of a finite-sized nucleus)?

I really don't get your point sorry. I'm guessing I should use the perturbation of the potential. But how can I get that?
 
The hydrogen atom is usually solved treating the nucleus as concentrated in a point. The ground state wavefunction that you specified was derived under this assumption.

Now you want to treat the nucleus more realistically as having a finite size and calculate a correction to the ground state energy in going from a point nucleus to the finite nucleus. The Hamiltonian for a finite nucleus can be thought of as the Hamiltonian for the point nucleus plus a "perturbation". So, the perturbation is just the difference between the Hamiltonian for a finite nucleus and the Hamiltonian for a point nucleus. You should convince yourself that the perturbation is just the change ##\delta V(r)## in the potential energy function when going from the point nucleus to the finite nucleus.

Can you find a mathematical expression for ##\delta V(r)##? The potential energy for a finite nucleus is given in the problem. So, you need to remember what the potential energy function is for a point nucleus.
 
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you should just break up the integral at r=R.see if it works.
 

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