PH of Water at Various Temperatures

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The discussion revolves around the pH of water at various temperatures, specifically addressing a student's experimental results that show a decrease in pH with increasing temperature. Participants explore possible explanations for this phenomenon, considering concepts from chemistry such as the dissociation constant and the effects of temperature on chemical equilibria.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the decrease in pH with increasing temperature may be related to the dissociation constant of water, Kw, which is influenced by temperature.
  • There is a discussion about the autoionization of water, represented by the equation H2O --> H+ + OH-, and how this process is governed by the equilibrium constant Kw.
  • One participant mentions the relevant equations for the equilibrium constant and free energy, specifically Kw = exp(-ΔG°/RT) and ΔG° = ΔH° - TΔS°.
  • Another participant notes that the dissociation of water is endothermic, which could explain the observed changes in pH with temperature.
  • There is a clarification that while the concentration of H+ and OH- increases with temperature, the pH cannot be simply described as becoming more acidic since their concentrations remain equal.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between ΔH, ΔS, and the resulting changes in pH, indicating the complexity of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the dissociation constant and the endothermic nature of water's dissociation are relevant to understanding the pH changes with temperature. However, there is no consensus on the implications of these factors, and some aspects of the discussion remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the question posed is open-ended and lacks clarity, which may affect the interpretation of the results and the application of theoretical concepts. The discussion reflects the challenges of applying theoretical knowledge to experimental scenarios.

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Homework Statement


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'A student measured the pH of water at various temperatures using a pH meter and obtained the following results:
(table showing pH decreasing as temperature increases)
The student was unsure whether the results were accurate or if the pH meter was faulty.
Using your knowledge of chemistry, discuss possible reasons for the results obtained.'

From SQA Advanced Higher Chemistry 2013 Exam

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I took this question to my teacher after seeing it in a past exam paper, and neither of us could come up with much of an explanation (in fairness, the teacher I asked specialises in practical rather than theory). We wondered if it was to do with entropy, as entropy increases with temperature. Looking at it again, I'm also thinking that maybe it's to do with the dissociation constant, as that would also be affected by temperature.
The level I am currently studying is roughly equivalent to first year degree.
Any help is appreciated.
 
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The question is full of holes but assuming pure water and that a simplistic answer is required this might help : Link
 
You are definitely on the right track thinking about the dissociation constant and entropy.

The pH of water is due to the autoionization of water into hydrogen ions and hydroxide:
H2O --> H+ + OH-

which is governed by the equilibrium constant Kw

There are two relevant equations to consider:

1) Kw = exp(-ΔG°/RT)

and

2) ΔG° = ΔH° - TΔS°

For the autoionization of water, what sign do you expect for the change in enthalpy (ΔH) and change in entropy (ΔS). When you increase temperature (T), what effect will that have on the change in free energy (ΔG) and the equilibrium constant (Kw)?
 
Nidum said:
The question is full of holes but assuming pure water and that a simplistic answer is required this might help : Link

Thank you! That link definitely helped. I hadn't realized that the dissociation of water was endothermic.

My country's exam board calls these 'open ended questions'. They are always full of holes and the marking schemes are so vague that it can be very difficult to know how to answer them properly. They're meant to simulate a real life scenario in which you'd have to apply your knowledge of chemistry to explain something, which is a good idea for an exam in theory, but the effectiveness of them is debatable...!
 
Ygggdrasil said:
You are definitely on the right track thinking about the dissociation constant and entropy.

The pH of water is due to the autoionization of water into hydrogen ions and hydroxide:
H2O --> H+ + OH-

which is governed by the equilibrium constant Kw

There are two relevant equations to consider:

1) Kw = exp(-ΔG°/RT)

and

2) ΔG° = ΔH° - TΔS°

For the autoionization of water, what sign do you expect for the change in enthalpy (ΔH) and change in entropy (ΔS). When you increase temperature (T), what effect will that have on the change in free energy (ΔG) and the equilibrium constant (Kw)?

Thanks! From ΔG° = ΔH° - TΔS° I can see how ΔG° would decrease as temperature increases, making the ionisation more spontaneous.
 
#2 was a lot of help - you find the same figures as in your question!
Your conjecture that the dissociation constant Kw changes is right - to be more precise it increases, meaning there is more H+ and OH- as temperature increases. The dissociation. Is endothermic so this is Le Chatelier's principle. You can't hiwever say it becomes more acid on warming since H+ and OH- concentrations remain always equal.

You're sure you understand this also from the formula? - it is easy to get confused. Well I find so.
Note that Ygggdrasil's formula in (3) can be written

K_{W}=exp\left( -\dfrac {\Delta H^{0}}{RT}+\dfrac {\Delta S^{0}}{R}\right)

The large ΔH0 is giving a large negative in the bracket and thence a small Kw. ΔS0 must be relatively unimportant at ordinary temperatures. As T increases the ΔH0/T term becomes smaller in absolute value - less negative! - so actually greater Kw. So more [H+]. So smaller pH! And entropy was not the thing changing but energy.

Clearer now, at least for me. :oldbiggrin:
 

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