Phase constant and reflection of waves

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of waves on a string, specifically focusing on the phase constants of incident and reflected waves with differing frequencies. The original poster is seeking clarification on whether a phase angle is associated with the reflected waves and how it relates to the incident waves.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the phase constants of incident and reflected waves, questioning whether the phase constant θ can be set to zero for both types of waves. There is also discussion about the implications of boundary conditions on the phase of the reflected waves.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of wave reflection and phase relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of boundary conditions to relate the reflected wave to the incident wave, but no consensus has been reached on the specific values of the phase constants.

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There is a mention of the assumption that the end of the string is not fixed, which may influence the phase of the reflected waves. The original poster expresses confusion about the phase constant in the context of differing frequencies of the waves.

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If two waves are created at x = 0 and t = 0 (and are in phase to begin with), and are then sent traveling along a string in the positive x direction, and they get reflected at the end of the string, there will be a similar pair of waves traveling in the negative x-direction. The two waves have a differing frequency.
Now my question is whether there a phase angle associated with these wave (namely the reflected waves).
Like for the waves traveling in the positive direction:
ψ_{1}(x, t) = Asin((ω_{1}/v)x - (ω_{1})t + θ)
ψ_{2}(x, t) = Asin((ω_{2}/v)x - (ω_{2})t + θ), would θ = 0 (the phase constant) in both these cases ?

And the reflected waves:
ψ_{1}(x, t) = Asin((ω_{1}/v)x + (ω_{1})t + θ)
ψ_{2}(x, t) = Asin((ω_{2}/v)x + (ω_{2})t + θ), would θ = 0 in these cases as well?
I'm really confused about this??
 
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So you are pretty sure of the initial (incident) wave, and are unsure about the reflected wave...
[at some time t> 2L/v ...]

the incident wave travels in the +x direction at speed v:
##y_{i}(x,t)=A\sin k(x-vt)##

the reflected wave travels in the -x direction at speed v:
##y_{r}(x,t)=B\sin [k(x+vt)+\phi]##

(where B and \phi are the unknowns ... though we expect |B|=|A| from your description.)

we require that ##y_{r}(L,t)=-y_{i}(L,t)## ... if the wave inverts on reflection.
The time and space derivatives also have a similar relationship.
So you can solve the simultaneous equations.Off your description - both incident waves will have the same initial phase ##\theta##.
The value of the initial phase depends on when you started your stopwatch ... it is usually convenient to set it to zero or pi/2 unless you have some reason to believe it is something different.

You should be aware that the phase of the wave at x and t is given by the entire argument of the sine function. The \theta in there is the phase at (x,t)=(0,0). You'll also find it easier to represent the waves in terms of wave numbers ##k=\omega/v##.
 
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So I should just compute θ for the reflected waves by setting (x, t) = (0, 0) ?
Assuming the end of the string is not fixed, then the reflections are not 180 deg out of phase. But will there still be a phase constant θ present?
 
Why not try it and see?
But why not just follow the suggestion you were given?
i.e. relate the reflected wave to the incident one and use the boundary conditions?
 

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