Phase factors with eigenstates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of phase factors in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of superposition states and their interaction with the environment, as well as the implications for decoherence. Participants explore how phase relationships among component eigenstates contribute to observable phenomena like interference patterns.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to clarify how phase factors associated with complex coefficients of eigenstates contribute to interference patterns in superposition states.
  • Another participant suggests that interference is typically demonstrated through the calculation of probability density and the resulting cross terms.
  • A different participant emphasizes that coherent phase relationships among component eigenstates are essential for forming a superposition.
  • There is a discussion about whether the relative phase factor is found in the eigenstates themselves or in the complex coefficients.
  • One participant proposes a mathematical expression for the relative phase between two components using logarithmic functions.
  • Another participant mentions that pure states form a complex vector space, which relates to the discussion of phase factors.
  • A participant provides links to external resources that may help clarify concepts related to decoherence and quantum states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the source of relative phase factors, with some attributing it to the complex coefficients and others suggesting it may reside in the eigenstates themselves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of these phase factors and their implications.

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Participants reference specific mathematical formulations and concepts, but there are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of terms and the implications of various models discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to superposition, decoherence, and the mathematical representation of quantum states.

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Hi guys, I'm currently writing a document about decoherence and I'm trying to make a point about phase factors and how they are altered by an interaction with a surrounding environment. However, i don't want to only state this, i want to show it through basic QM. Is it possible to say the following;

If we represent a superposition state the following way;

\varphi_{s} = \Sigma_{n}\alpha_{n}^{*}\varphi_{n}

and since each component basis eigenstate has an associated complex coefficient, this can be written;

\alpha^{*} = x+ iy = re^iphi

I'm basically trying to show how each component eigenstate (that makes up the superposition state) have a relative phase and when this is coherent we observe interference patterns etc.

If anyone could help with any pointers to make this more clear it would be very much appreciated.

Thanks
 
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I thought people usually demonstrated interference when they calculated the probability density and noted the cross term which comes out.
 
Yep, that's true. I'm probably not making myself clear. In order to obtain a superposition all the component eigenstates (that make up that superposition state) but have a coherent phase relationship. I just want to show where that phase comes from (i.e the coefficient).
 
I always thought it was is the component eigenstates not in the coefficients.
 
This is what is confusing me. So if we were to assume that this particular superposition was made of three component basis eigenstates such that;

\varphi_{s} = \alpha_{1}\varphi_{1} + \alpha_{2}\varphi_{2} + \alpha_{3}\varphi_{3}

is the relative phase factor (between each of the components) in the \varphi_{3} part (for example)?

I would have thought that it was in the complex coefficient and since this can be re-written in terms of euler's identity you impose a relative phase factor where phi would be the same for each component (when its coherent). However, this principle kind of works for what you are saying also i guess.

If anyone could give me a mathematical definition (by example) that would be very useful.
 
If A and B are the components, would the relative phase not just be just be log (A/B)/i. ?
 
Hazzattack said:
I'm basically trying to show how each component eigenstate (that makes up the superposition state) have a relative phase and when this is coherent we observe interference patterns etc.

How is trivial - its because pure states form a complex vector space.

Hazzattack said:
I just want to show where that phase comes from (i.e the coefficient).

Why is another matter - but still answerable - check out:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html

I suspect what you are really after is a simple way to look at decoherencre. The following may help:
http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reality_decoherence.asp

Thanks
Bill
 
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Thanks a lot for the response. I believe this is what i was trying to say;

'In other words, if the amplitude for some measurement outcome is α = β + γi, where β and γ are real, then the probability of seeing the outcome is |α|2 = β2 + γ2.'

α being the co-efficient corresponding to a component eigenstate. Thus, it makes sense that this has a relative phase as it can be represented using eulers.
 

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