Phonon-assisted energy transfer between lanthanides

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The discussion centers on the concept of phonon-assisted energy transfer between lanthanide ions, exploring theoretical frameworks and experimental observations. Participants seek clarification on the role of phonons in energy transfer, particularly in relation to electron-phonon interactions and the implications of phonon localization in different materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of phonon-assisted energy transfer, questioning whether it requires phonons to span the entire crystal or if localized phonons are sufficient.
  • Another participant suggests that phonons primarily lower the symmetry of the crystal field, which weakens selection rules, indicating that the localization of phonons may not be critical.
  • A different viewpoint posits that the energy transfer mechanism may resemble Förster-type mechanisms, which depend on the distance between atoms and the localization length of phonons.
  • Some participants argue that the weakening of selection rules may not be relevant to phonon-assisted energy transfer, while others reference the original paper to support the idea that selection rules do change with phonon involvement.
  • There is mention of the energy scales involved in the process, suggesting that phonon energies are significant compared to the energy changes in 4f-states of lanthanides.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of phonon localization and the impact of selection rules on energy transfer. There is no consensus on whether phonon localization affects the energy transfer process or on the importance of selection rules in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original paper does not specify the extent of phonons required for effective energy transfer, leaving some assumptions and interpretations unresolved.

HAYAO
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Dear all,

I am not understanding well the "phonon-assisted" energy transfer between lanthanide ions and I need some clarifications.

There is a theoretical work by Miyakawa and Dexter (doi:10.1143/JPSJ.32.1577) which explains how phonon plays a role in transferring energy from one (4f-state of) lanthanide to another (4f-state) lanthanide with energy mismatch. Now if I understand correctly, the "phonon" itself spans throughout the entire crystal that the lanthanide ion is doped in. Thus if there is any electron-phonon interactions (where electron refers to the electronic 4f-states of the lanthanides), then all of the lanthanide must be interacting with the same phonon.

However, phonon-assisted energy transfer between lanthanides has been reported for glass material (amorphous material), where a phonon may be localized around to a particular lanthanide ion instead of spanning throughout the entire material. It seems to me, intuitively, that this is a conflicting result with what is written in the above paragraph.

I believe I am making some mistake in terms of understanding specific points discussed above. Either:
1) I am not correctly understanding electron-phonon interaction in general
2) I am correctly understanding 1) but incorrectly understanding phonon-assisted energy transfer
3) I am incorrectly understanding 1) and 2)
4) or I am correctly understanding both, and that above two paragraph is indeed an inconsistency that needs to be resolved.

Does phonon-asssited energy transfer require a phonon mode to span throughout the entire crystal? Or is it fine with a localized phonon? What am I not understanding correctly?

Thank you,
HAYAO
 
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I don't have access to the paper, but I think the phonons act principally by lowering the symmetry of the crystal field thus weakening the selection rules. Furthermore, the change of the cystal field changes the energy. This is a local effect, so the extent of the phonon should not be relevant. Of course you could think about a coherent effect on both of the atoms which are exchanging energy although I would guess this to be of minor importance. I suppose the energy transfer mechanism is some Förster type mechanism, which decays with a high power of the atomic separation distance. Then the question arises whether the localisation length of the phonon is larger or smaller than the range of the energy transfer.
 
DrDu said:
I don't have access to the paper, but I think the phonons act principally by lowering the symmetry of the crystal field thus weakening the selection rules. Furthermore, the change of the cystal field changes the energy. This is a local effect, so the extent of the phonon should not be relevant. Of course you could think about a coherent effect on both of the atoms which are exchanging energy although I would guess this to be of minor importance. I suppose the energy transfer mechanism is some Förster type mechanism, which decays with a high power of the atomic separation distance. Then the question arises whether the localisation length of the phonon is larger or smaller than the range of the energy transfer.
Thank you DrDu.

Generally, the "phonon-assist" refers to assist from phonon energy. Meanwhile, change in the crystal field and resulting rise of the energy is relevant if the energy is in the order of extremely small scale (1 to 50 cm-1), because 4f-states of lanthanides barely changes in energy by crystal field. Most sources claim that it actually involves energy scale of a phonon itself (depending on the host, 100 to, in some rare cases, up to 2000 cm-1).

I believe that the weakening of the selection rules is not relevant to the phonon-assisted energy transfer at least in the paper above, although I think you are absolutely right that phonon would change the selection rule and will thus also change the energy transfer rate.

Yes, it may be about the coherent effect on the atoms that are exchanging energy. The paper itself does not specify whether the extent of phonons should be larger or smaller than the range of energy transfer (in the case of lanthanide-to-lanthanide separation of more than 4 angstroms, dipole-dipole, dipole-quadrupole, quadrupole-quadrupole interactions). But I am really not understanding what I am looking at.
 
HAYAO said:
I believe that the weakening of the selection rules is not relevant to the phonon-assisted energy transfer at least in the paper above
From the abstract: "...which produces the highest intensity in vibronic sidebands contributes dominantly to the phonon-assisted process."
To me, that points rather to an effect of the changed selection rules. So if one atom falls from the excited state + phonon to the ground state without phonon, the selection rules are different than without a phonon.
I just checked the article by Myiakawa and Dexter which is cited in the abstract. This confirms this view. Furthermore, in the derivation of the transfer probability, they assume that the two ions interact with different phonons. So localization or not shouldn't be an issue.
 
DrDu said:
From the abstract: "...which produces the highest intensity in vibronic sidebands contributes dominantly to the phonon-assisted process."
To me, that points rather to an effect of the changed selection rules. So if one atom falls from the excited state + phonon to the ground state without phonon, the selection rules are different than without a phonon.
I just checked the article by Myiakawa and Dexter which is cited in the abstract. This confirms this view. Furthermore, in the derivation of the transfer probability, they assume that the two ions interact with different phonons. So localization or not shouldn't be an issue.
Okay, thank you very much. That really helped me out!
 

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