Photoelectric Effect: Metal Electron Bonding Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect and the nature of electron bonding in metals, particularly addressing why electrons can be easily ejected despite the strong metallic bonds. Participants explore the relationship between electron energy levels, bonding, and the energy required to remove electrons from metal atoms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how electrons can be easily removed from metals despite strong metallic bonding.
  • Some participants clarify that not all electrons are tightly bound; those with higher energy levels are less tightly bound and easier to remove.
  • Another participant questions the explanation, noting that the electrons contributing to strong metallic bonding seem to be the same ones that can be easily ejected.
  • It is mentioned that deeper electron energy levels contribute more to the metal's structural integrity, while higher energy electrons are easier to remove.
  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with the explanation, emphasizing that the electrons involved in bonding should not be easily removed.
  • Another participant discusses the behavior of electrons in metals, noting that many electrons do not interact significantly with external forces.
  • A participant shifts focus to the photon-electron interaction, indicating a desire to understand how photons transfer energy to electrons.
  • One participant suggests looking up specific binding energy values to assess the ease of extracting electrons from metals like sodium.
  • It is noted that the energy required to break free electrons from the surface of metals is typically a few eV, which relates to the overall strength of the metallic bond.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between electron bonding and the ease of electron removal. There are multiple competing views regarding the nature of the electrons involved in bonding and their energy levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific energy values for sodium, including binding energy and work function, but the implications of these values on the discussion remain unresolved. The discussion also touches on the distinction between electrons involved in bonding and those that are more freely available.

Karan Punjabi
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Guys I'm understand this effect but understanding it i got a practical doubt that though the bond(metallic bond) between metal atoms is very strong then too electrons are easily ripped of compared to other elements
I know metals have free electrons but they are strongly bonded to the atoms then how its happening? Please explain. Thankyou
 
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Some electrons are bound to atoms, others (those that form the metallic bonds) are not. The electrons with the most energy are not tightly bound to the metal.
 
mfb said:
Some electrons are bound to atoms, others (those that form the metallic bonds) are not. The electrons with the most energy are not tightly bound to the metal.
How you can explain it because as per you the more energy electrons are not tightly bonded but they contibute to the strongest bonding in metal elements?
 
There are different electron energy levels. The deeper ones contribute more to keeping the metal together, the higher ones are easier to remove from the metal. In total, the large number of electrons that contribute to the binding energy are relevant as well. Not that much energy per electron, but many electrons.
 
mfb said:
There are different electron energy levels. The deeper ones contribute more to keeping the metal together, the higher ones are easier to remove from the metal. In total, the large number of electrons that contribute to the binding energy are relevant as well. Not that much energy per electron, but many electrons.
But still I'm not satisfied by the fact that the electrons that are left by metal for strong metallic bonding are easily ripped off. I'm thinking in a view that these electrons are major contributors to bonding.
 
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Karan Punjabi said:
I'm thinking in a view that these electrons are major contributors to bonding.
They are not.

Also, what are the comparisons you seem to imply? Easy/hard compared to what?
 
There are tons of electrons around a metal because of its high atomic number. Some of these electrons don't interact much with anything but its own atoms protons. Some are jumping back and forth and playing with its neighbors atom.

Some electrons roam around its atom pretty freely and can be repelled by other electrons and be pushed farther down the metal until it replaces another electrons spot.
 
Whoops that explanation was for current in a wire and not the photoelectric effect but it should be fine.

I want to ask how a photon transfers its energy to an electron but I'm sure you guys would get mad at me.
 
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You should look up the values before assuming some relationship (like it is easier or harder).
If you take sodium as an example, the binding energy per atom is 1.1 eV (according to the table in Kittel).
The work function for sodium is about 2.3 eV.
So, do you think that these numbers justify your claim that is "too easy" to extract free electrons from the metal?
 
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Karan Punjabi said:
free electrons but they are strongly bonded to the atoms
Typically, a few eV, for the outer electrons and that is the sort of energy that's needed to break individual electrons free form the surface. The strength of a solid metal is due to the very large number of these small forces.
 

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