Photoelectric Effect: Electron Flow Explained

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The discussion revolves around the flow of electrons in a circuit during the photoelectric effect, particularly when the polarity of the battery is reversed. Participants explore the behavior of electrons, current flow, and the effects of kinetic energy and potential differences in this context.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the direction of electron flow when the emitter is connected to the positive polarity of a battery, suggesting that electrons should flow from negative to positive, yet current is still observed.
  • Others propose that the kinetic energy of electrons, influenced by incoming photons, allows them to reach the collector, although the path may not be linear.
  • One participant suggests that when the polarity is reversed, free electrons return to the emitter due to Coulomb potential, contributing to current flow despite the expected behavior.
  • A later reply clarifies that in a photoelectric setup, one electrode may have a floating potential, allowing current to flow even when reverse-biasing occurs, as electrons hitting the anode still register current without completing a closed loop back to the cathode.
  • Another participant notes that the elementary approach to the photoelectric effect focuses on maximum energy, but the actual range of electron energies and the anode's potential significantly affect the flow of electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of electron flow and current behavior under different conditions, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the photoelectric effect, including the influence of potential differences and the range of electron energies, which may not be fully addressed in simpler explanations.

Leong
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When the emitter is connected to the positive polarity of a battery, it is said that 'Some high speed electrons are still able to reach the collector and therefore there is flow of current.'

(1) What is the flow of electrons like in this case?

I thought electrons are supposed to flow from the negative polarity of the battery to the collector, to the emitter and finally to the positive polarity of the battery to produce a current.

(2) Why in this case, it is the other way round, yet it is said that there is a current?
 
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In this case kinetic energies of the electrons are concerned, If the falling photons have enough energies to give high kinetic energies to electrons, electrons can move to the collector, but the path may not be a linear path
 
Hiranya Pasan said:
In this case kinetic energies of the electrons are concerned, If the falling photons have enough energies to give high kinetic energies to electrons, electrons can move to the collector, but the path may not be a linear path

Would you mind explaining how the electrons flow in the circuit & how the current flows in the circuit?
 
Leong said:
Would you mind explaining how the electrons flow in the circuit & how the current flows in the circuit?

Im not sure about this answer but I think when polarity reversed there are some FREE electrons come back to the emitter due to the Coulomb potential, I think this the the reason to the flowing current in the circuit, because it is not possible to flowing current through the collector in this case.
 
I'm trying to decipher what exactly is being asked here because some of the terms being used is a bit confusing.

Are you asking why, when you reverse-bias the cathode with respect to the anode, that there can still be a current flow in the "circuit"?

If this is the question, then this has more to do with the electronics. In a simple photoelectric experiment setup, one of the electrodes (either the cathode or the anode) has a "floating" potential. This allows for one to set a potential with respect to the other, but still allows for current to flow if charges either enter or leave it.

So for example, you may ground the cathode, and have the anode's potential to float. Then, you can reverse-bias the anode's potential, but any electrons that hits the anode are still flowing on that branch of the circuit, so current is registered. The built-in electronics allows that. The electrons that enter the anode do not make a closed loop back to the cathode. The circuit diagram that you see that often accompanies the photoelectric effect is highly simplified and often only a schematic representation of what is going on.

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The elementary approach to the photoelectric effect only discusses the maximum energy of photo electrons. It's more complicated than that because of the range of actual energies of those electrons. The potential of the Anode will affect how many of the electrons make it to the anode and how many fall back to the emitter. The (reverse)":stopping potential" is the minimum that will stop the flow completely.
What have you read about this?
 

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