Photon detection in the EPR experiment

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The discussion revolves around the detection of the final polarization state of photons in the context of the EPR experiment. Participants explore the mechanisms of photon detection, particularly focusing on the types of polarizers used and their effects on photon direction and polarization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the final polarization state of the photon is detected, suggesting that linear beam splitting polarizers may either alter the direction of the photon or not, and proposes different detection methods based on this.
  • Another participant suggests reading classical crystal optics for a deeper understanding of photon interaction with optical elements, indicating that this could provide a theoretical framework for the discussion.
  • A participant asserts that all polarizing beam splitters split the photon beam into two directions, challenging the notion that some polarizers do not alter the direction of the photon.
  • There is a clarification that for an ideal polarizing beam splitter, no light is absorbed, and the light is split into two partial beams of different polarization, referencing an external source for further information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of linear beam splitting polarizers and their effects on photon direction. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed detection methods or the characteristics of the polarizers.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of polarizers and the nature of photon detection remain unaddressed, and there are unresolved questions regarding the specific configurations of polarizers and detectors in the EPR experiment.

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In the photon version of the EPR experiment, how is the final polarization state of the photon detected?

I have read a number of high level descriptions of the EPR experiment, but I am having trouble with understanding the detection part.

Here is my understanding, please correct me where I am wrong.

I understand the type of polarizer used in the EPR experiment is a linear beam splitting polarizer as defined here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizer

If I understand correctly, there are some linear beam splitting polarizers that split the photon into 2 directions and there are some that do not. Just to be clear, I am not referring to the polarization state vector, but the direction the photon is traveling as it leaves the polarizer.

So I can imagine that for a beam splitting polarizer that does alter the direction of the photon, the detector would be a photon detector placed in the location of where the photon is expected to arrive for a given polarizer orientation.

Or I can imagine that for linear beam splitting polarizer that does NOT alter the direction of the photon, the detector would need to include another polarizer (absorption or beam splitting type) that has a fixed orientation relative to the EPR experiment in order to split the two states prior to being detected by a photon detector.

Are either of these ways of detecting the final polarization of the photon in the EPR experiment valid? Are there other ways?
Thanks
 
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You should first read about classical crystal optics. In its full glory it's marvelously explained in the good old book by Sommerfeld:

A. Sommerfeld, Lectures on Theoretical Physics, vol. IV (optics)

Then you can think of this as an effective theory describing also the interaction of single photons with the optical elements like your polarizer.
 
kurt101 said:
If I understand correctly, there are some linear beam splitting polarizers that split the photon into 2 directions and there are some that do not. Just to be clear, I am not referring to the polarization state vector, but the direction the photon is traveling as it leaves the polarizer.
All polarizing beam splitters are splitting photon beam in two direction. Polarizing beam splitter with one output does not make sense. Polarizer has one beam at the output, but it absorbs part of the beam so that the beam is altered anyways.
kurt101 said:
So I can imagine that for a beam splitting polarizer that does alter the direction of the photon, the detector would be a photon detector placed in the location of where the photon is expected to arrive for a given polarizer orientation.
Yes
 

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