Photon Detectors: Absorption or Further Testing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of photon detectors and whether they must absorb photons to detect them, exploring concepts such as weak measurement and quantum non-demolition measurement. The scope includes theoretical implications and potential experimental applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if photon detectors necessarily need to absorb photons for detection, suggesting the possibility of further tests on the photon.
  • Another participant describes the operation of photomultiplier tubes, emphasizing the photoelectric effect and expressing uncertainty about detectors that do not absorb photons.
  • A third participant asserts that detection alters both the detector and the photon, implying a fundamental limit to the nature of measurement.
  • Weak measurement is introduced as a potential method for detecting photons without absorption, though details are not provided.
  • Quantum non-demolition measurement is mentioned as a technique that might allow for counting photons without destroying them, with a reference to an external article for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether photon detectors must absorb photons, with some proposing alternative methods while others remain uncertain about their existence.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of detection and measurement, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the mechanisms of weak measurement and quantum non-demolition measurement.

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Do photon detectors necessarily need to absorb the photon to detect it (i.e. can photon detectors exist that make the detection but allow us to perform further tests on the photon)?
 
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"photon Detectors" aka Photomultiplier tubes work on the principal of the photon(s) striking an electrode which emits electrons which strike other electrodes emitting more electrons in a cascading effect, producing a measurable current flow, the "photoelectric effect" first discovered by Heinrich Hertz in the late 1800's and was followed up by work done by Elster and Geite.

I personally am unaware of any photon detectors that work the way you describe, maybe some one else will chime in with that possibility :)

cheers
Dave
 
A detector is changed by the photon, and the photon (if it still exists) is changed by the detector. This is a statement that does not depend on the details of the detection mechanism.

You can only step in the same stream once.
 
You might be interested in so-called "weak measurement". I don't know much about it, but you clearly have an internet connection :smile:
 
Might be possible via Quantum Non demolition measurement

Chk this article out
"Quantum non-demolition measurement allows physicists to count photons without destroying them"
http://www.physorg.com/news197873165.html
 

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