Photon Interference: What Happens to the Photons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thought experiment involving the interference of light waves and photons, specifically examining the behavior of photons when subjected to conditions of destructive interference at a photo-detector (PD). The scope includes conceptual understanding of wave-particle duality, interference patterns, and conservation of energy in quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the scenario described leads to the detection of photons at the PD, suggesting that if the waves are out of phase, the amplitude is zero and no photons should be detected.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the question, suggesting that it is a fundamental issue in physics education and implies that analyzing the situation in terms of waves may be more insightful than focusing solely on photons.
  • A later reply clarifies that in a Mach-Zehnder interferometer setup, if destructive interference occurs at one detector, constructive interference must occur at another, indicating that light does not simply disappear but is redirected.
  • This reply also notes that quantum mechanics allows for the calculation of the probability of photon detection, stating that when the probability is zero at one detector, it is one at another, thus conserving energy.
  • Concerns about the conservation of light energy are raised, with a participant asserting that energy is conserved regardless of the detection outcome, provided there is no transformation into other energy forms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and implications of the thought experiment. While some agree on the principles of interference and conservation of energy, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of photon behavior in this specific scenario.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the wave and photon descriptions, as well as the assumptions made about the experimental setup, such as the use of a single detector versus multiple detectors.

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Hello, could anyone help me with this question?
We have a mental experiment consisting in a source S that sends two plane waves of light that propagate in one direction and collide in a photo-detector (PD). It is important to note that the propagation of each wave is in one-dimension, so that there are no waves arriving out from the PD. It can be considered as a kind of interferometer.
Well, if the waves arrive out of phase at the PD then the amplitude of the resulting wave is zero at the PD. And, as the propagation is in a given direction, there are not interferences out from the point at which the PD is placed.
In this case, if we change the waves by photons, we have that, while S is sending photons the PD does not detect any photon.
Is this result correct? If so, what happens with the photons? Does not the mass conserve?

Thank you very much
 
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If you revise this for clarity you might get more replies...
 
Neo_Anderson said:
If you revise this for clarity you might get more replies...

The question is perfectly clear and it is a very important question. Everybody who has studied physics has to come up against this question sooner or later. Understanding the answer to this question is a significant step in anyone's physics education.

(edit) Of course it's really a question about waves: trying to analyze it in terms of photons contributes no helpful insights as far as I know...
 
Sergionuevo said:
Hello, could anyone help me with this question?
We have a mental experiment consisting in a source S that sends two plane waves of light that propagate in one direction and collide in a photo-detector (PD). It is important to note that the propagation of each wave is in one-dimension, so that there are no waves arriving out from the PD. It can be considered as a kind of interferometer.
Well, if the waves arrive out of phase at the PD then the amplitude of the resulting wave is zero at the PD. And, as the propagation is in a given direction, there are not interferences out from the point at which the PD is placed.
In this case, if we change the waves by photons, we have that, while S is sending photons the PD does not detect any photon.
Is this result correct? If so, what happens with the photons? Does not the mass conserve?

Thank you very much


We will assume that we have a Mach-Zehnder interferometer with only one detector. The wave description is different from the photon description, so we will consider them one at a time.


In the wave description, the two waves must travel different paths so that there is a phase difference of 180 degrees before recombining at the second beamsplitter. No light enters the detector. Usually, there are two detectors employed, and, if we insert the second detector, all the light is found there. If we have destructive interference on one side of a beamsplitter, then we always have constructive interference on the other side. This is classical wave optics. You are correct. The light does not just disappear!

In the photon description, quantum mechanics allows us to calculate the probability that the photon will be detected. When the probability is zero, no photon ever reaches the detector. However, when this occurs, the probability of reaching the second detector is one; all the photons are found in the second detector.

Rest assured, the light energy (wave or photon) is always conserved. I am not sure that this is the kind of experiment you have in mind, but the above results are always true; if the light is not found here, then it is someplace else. I assumed only that there is no transformation of the light energy into other energy forms.
Best wishes.
 

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