Photons on a CCD Vs. the magnetic or electric vector?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of light as detected by a CCD (Charge-Coupled Device) and the implications of this detection for understanding light's nature as either a particle or a wave. Participants explore the relationship between light's detection, its electromagnetic (EM) properties, and the interaction of light with the CCD, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the detection of very low light as discrete points on a CCD indicates light's particle behavior, questioning how wave-fronts would be represented if light were detected as waves.
  • Another participant asserts that both the electric and magnetic vectors of light exist together, implying that one cannot exist without the other.
  • A participant explains the geometric relationships between the direction of propagation, electric vector, magnetic vector, and the Poynting vector, emphasizing their perpendicular nature.
  • One participant reiterates the initial claim about light's particle behavior and questions the expected detection of wave-fronts along the magnetic or electric vectors.
  • Another participant posits that the detection process is fundamentally quantum in nature, suggesting that while propagation can be considered wave-like, it is the interaction of fields that leads to detection, rather than the fields themselves being detectable without interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light and its detection, with no consensus reached on whether light behaves more as a particle or a wave in the context of CCD detection. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of electromagnetic vectors in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of light and detection processes, as well as the definitions of terms like "detection" and "interaction." The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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If my understanding of the theory is correct, the fact that very low light is detected on a CCD at points demonstrates light's behavior as a particle. For, if light acted as a wave in this instance, we would see not points but vectors (lines) registered on the CCD, that is, representing entire wave-fronts. My question is this. Was it expected, if the light had been detected as waves, that the wave-fronts would've been detected along their magnetic vector, their electric vector, or both (forming a cross)? The question also pertains to light waves in general. Are they thought to deliver their energy in a particular way in relation to their magnetic and electric fields?
 
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I think they both exist together. One without other is just unthinkable and impossible.
 
The direction of propagation of an EM wave in free space is perpendicular to both the electric vector and the magnetic vector. The electric vector and the magnetic vectors are perpendicular to each other. The Poynting vector, which defines the direction of energy flow, is also perpendicular to both the electric and magnetic vectors, and hence points in the direction of propagation. This Wikipedia page has some nice plots showing the above.
 
DavidReishi said:
If my understanding of the theory is correct, the fact that very low light is detected on a CCD at points demonstrates light's behavior as a particle. For, if light acted as a wave in this instance, we would see not points but vectors (lines) registered on the CCD, that is, representing entire wave-fronts.

Why would this create lines on the CCD?

DavidReishi said:
Was it expected, if the light had been detected as waves, that the wave-fronts would've been detected along their magnetic vector, their electric vector, or both (forming a cross)?

I don't think that the magnetic field vector creates a force in the direction of itself.
 
I think the very process of detection is basically quantum or has particulate nature. propagation can be considered as wave but it defies detection. Fields can be pictured but not so called detected. What you call detection is interaction of fields which results in motion of some objects. Devoid of objects fields just permeate through space and are not detectable.
 

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