Photons on a Super Cooled Area

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of light with supercooled materials, particularly focusing on whether photons can be absorbed without re-emission and the implications of temperature on light absorption and reflectivity. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to phase changes, band structures, and Bose-Einstein condensates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that cooling a material significantly affects its ability to absorb light, questioning if it could absorb all light at very low temperatures.
  • Others argue that temperature has little effect on a substance's ability to absorb light, noting that absorption characteristics remain relatively stable across a wide temperature range, except during phase changes.
  • It is suggested that when a photon is absorbed, its energy is typically converted into vibrational or translational states rather than being re-emitted.
  • One participant raises the idea that photons might "destroy themselves" upon reaching cooled electrons in a Bose-Einstein condensate, although this is challenged by others who point out that superconductors do not appear black.
  • A later reply expresses uncertainty about the validity of the initial hypothesis regarding supercooled objects and their interaction with photons, acknowledging a lack of evidence for such behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effects of temperature on light absorption and reflectivity, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the band structure of solids does not change dramatically with temperature unless a structural phase transition occurs, which may influence optical properties. There is also mention of the lack of evidence for certain claims regarding superconductors and their appearance at low temperatures.

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I was wondering what would happen if you shun light onto a super cooled area.

Would it mean that the photon's energy would be absorbed and would not be re-emitted? Or put otherwise, can you cool an area to a point that it would absorb all light?
 
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Temperature generally has little affect on a substances ability to absorb light. The biggest jumps would probably be before/after a phase change after the temperature drops. The absorption of light for a hot piece of iron at 1500 K is very close to what it is for that piece of iron at 150 K or 15 K.

Not that when a photon is absorbed the energy is rarely emitted right back out. It almost always is partitioned into various vibrational/translational states and can then be lost through many different mechanisms.
 
sqljunkey said:
I was wondering what would happen if you shun light onto a super cooled area.

Would it mean that the photon's energy would be absorbed and would not be re-emitted? Or put otherwise, can you cool an area to a point that it would absorb all light?

Why do you think temperature has such an effect on reflectivity?

A solid’s band structure typically does not change dramatically as one lowers the temperature, unless the solid undergoes a structural phase transition, which is not common. This band structure is often the factor that determines the material’s optical properties.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ I thought maybe because of the Bose Einstein Condensate ideas the photons would destroy themselves once they reach the cooled down electrons. But objects don't turn black as they are cooled down obviously.
 
sqljunkey said:
ZapperZ I thought maybe because of the Bose Einstein Condensate ideas the photons would destroy themselves once they reach the cooled down electrons. But objects don't turn black as they are cooled down obviously.

Why would there be BE condensate inside the material? Even if the material become superconducting, I can still see a reflection of light off it. Otherwise, all superconductors will appear black!

You have quite a bit of explaining to do here because you are jumping to several conclusions.

Zz.
 
well ZapperZ, I can't really explain myself further since as you said and I found out later that no superconductors appear jet black.

Since there is no evidence for it then it all becomes silly.

I was just thinking along the lines of an object nearing Absolute Zero and it starting to gradually not letting any photons be re-emitted.

but that it is not true given the evidence.
 

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