Physical insight into integrating a product of two functions

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The discussion revolves around the physical insight and mathematical interpretation of integrating a product of two functions, particularly in the context of Fourier transforms and fractional derivatives. Participants explore the implications of such integrations in terms of representing functions in different bases and the role of weighting functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the accuracy of viewing the exponential in the Fourier transform as a weighting function that analyzes frequencies in the original signal.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of integrating a product of functions in the form of \(\int f(x) g(s,x) dx\) and relates it to inner products in finite-dimensional spaces.
  • There is a suggestion that with an appropriate choice of \(g(s,x)\), the integral can be interpreted as transforming \(f(x)\) into a continuous function \(C(s)\) that represents coefficients in terms of basis functions.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the specific case of \(g(\epsilon,x) = (x - \epsilon)^{n - \alpha - 1}\) and its role as a continuous basis function.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the function \(g(\epsilon,x)\) behaves like an orthonormal family of basis functions and whether \(f(\epsilon)\) can be reconstructed from \(C(x)\) through an inverse transform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the function \(g(\epsilon,x)\) and its properties as a basis function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the reconstruction of \(f(\epsilon)\) and the validity of the proposed interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations regarding the orthonormality of the basis functions and the conditions under which the inverse transforms may or may not hold. These aspects remain open for further exploration.

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I was wondering what the physical insight is of integrating a product of two functions. When we do that for a Fourier transform, we decompose a function into its constituent frequencies, and that's because the exponential with an imaginary x in the transform can be seen as a weighting function that looks at the frequency in the original signal. I'm not sure if this kind of logic is accurate.

In particular, what caused this question is the consideration of the Riemann-Liouville fractional derivative (definitions can be seen here: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/mpe/2014/238459/). We are integrating a function with respect to a power law (x - ε)n - α - 1 so it's a similar case. Does the power law "weigh" the information of the function it multiplies? Is there another way to think about it?

Any help is appreciated!
 
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Buddhapus17 said:
integrating a product of two functions.

You could call \int f(x) g(x) dx "integrating the product of two functions", but the situation you are wondering about is of the form \int f(x) g(s,x) dx.

Consider functions defined on a finite number of values of x (e.g. (f(1), f(2),...f(10) } [/itex] ) then the analogy to \int f(x) g(x) dx is the inner product \sum f(k) g(k). If you had an set of orthonormal basis vectors (functions) \{g_1(x),g_2(x)...g_n(x) \} then to represent a function f(x) in that basis you would use the inner product to compute coefficents c_s = \sum f(k) g_s(k) (which is analgous to \int f(x) g(s,x)). The vector of coefficients (c_1, c_2,...c_n) can be thought of as a function c(s) defined on the finite number of values s = 1,2,...n.

So with the proper choice of a function g(s,x) one mathematical interpretation of \int f(x) g(s,x) is a transformation of a function f(x) to a continuous function C(s) that , loosely speaking, represents the coefficents used in expressing f(x) in terms of an (infinite) set of basis functions g(s,x) where s is a "continuous" index for the basis functions.
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
So with the proper choice of a function g(s,x) one mathematical interpretation of \int f(x) g(s,x) is a transformation of a function f(x) to a continuous function C(s) that , loosely speaking, represents the coefficents used in expressing f(x) in terms of an (infinite) set of basis functions g(s,x) where s is a "continuous" index for the basis functions.

So to clarify, in the case of when we have a f(ε) and g(ε, x) with g(ε, x) = (x - ε)n - α - 1, the power law is a continuous basis function with a continuous index x, and by integrating f(ε) * g(ε, x) we find continuous coefficients that represent the function f(ε) in the basis of that power law.
 
Buddhapus17 said:
and by integrating f(ε) * g(ε, x) we find continuous coefficients that represent the function f(ε) in the basis of that power law.

I don't know if the particular function g(\epsilon,x) = (x - \epsilon)^{n -\alpha -1} behaves like an orthonormal family of basis functions. i.e. if C(x) = \int f(\epsilon) g(\epsilon,x) d\epsilon can f(\epsilon) be reconstructed by an inverse transform f(\epsilon) = \int C(x) g(\epsilon,x) dx ? Or f(\epsilon) = \int C(x) h(\epsilon,x) for some other function h ? If not then C(x) isn't analogous to a set of coefficients in a linear combination.
 

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