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Homework Help: Physical Pendulum attached to spring in SHM. Find Equation of Motion

  1. Nov 24, 2008 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Uniform Rod of length 0.2m and mass 0.2kg pivoted at one end. THe other end of attached to a horizontal spring with spring constant 3.0N/m. The spring is neither stretched nor compressed when the rod is perfectly vertical. You can also assume that the force due to the spring is always horizontal. The angle between the rod and equilibrium shall be called [tex]\phi[/tex]

    A) Show that the equation of motion for the rod is :

    (d^2[tex]\phi[/tex])/dt^2=-(3k/m)sin[tex]\phi[/tex]cos[tex]\phi[/tex]-(3g/2L)sin[tex]\phi[/tex] (10 marks

    B) Determine the rod's oscillation period in the small-angle approximation

    2. Relevant equations

    d^2x/dt^2 +[tex]\omega[/tex]^2=0

    F=-kx (spring)


    F= -mgsin[tex]\phi[/tex] (pendulum)

    d^2[tex]\phi[/tex]/dt^2= (-Mgl/I)[tex]\phi[/tex]

    I= 1/3ML^2

    3. The attempt at a solution

    So far, I have been able to deduce an equation of motion dependent on x, but not on [tex]\phi[/tex].

    I calculated the restoring force for both the pendulum and the spring, I then used Newton's 2nd law to get -kx-mgsin[tex]\phi[/tex]=md^2x/dt^2

    Then used the small angle approx to make sin[tex]\phi[/tex] equivalent to tan [tex]\phi[/tex]

    Tan[tex]\phi[/tex] is x/l which subs into Eqn as -kx-mgx/l=md^2x/dt^2

    Divide through by m and this leaves -k/mx-gx/l = d^2x/dt^2

    Would be very grateful for any help with the where to go from here.
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  3. Nov 24, 2008 #2
    You might want to use the fact that if [tex]\phi[/tex] is in radians and is small, sin [tex]\phi[/tex] can be approximated to [tex]\phi[/tex].

    This is not quite correct. The problem asks you to assume that the spring restoring force is horizontal. Along what direction are you using Newton's second law? Moreover, there are forces at the pivot that you have not considered in this equation.

    Think about what happens physically. Which part of the rod moves back and forth? Is it linear motion?
  4. Nov 29, 2011 #3
    What about part B?!?!?!?!?!
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