Physics: doppler effect (observer & source in motion)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the frequency of a train's whistle as perceived by a car's driver under varying conditions of motion. The train moves at a constant speed of 25 m/s, while the car accelerates from 49 m/s at 4 m/s². Using the Doppler effect formula, the initial frequency perceived by the driver is calculated incorrectly as 567.044 Hz. For the second part, after the car passes the train and is 32 m ahead, the frequency is recalculated using the adjusted velocities, leading to a perceived frequency of 380.66 Hz, which is also incorrect. The discussion emphasizes the need to account for the time delay of sound waves and the car's acceleration when applying the Doppler effect equations.

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Homework Statement


A train is moving parallel and adjacent to a highway with a constant speed of 25 m/s. A car, at time t0, is 42 m behind the train, traveling in the same direction as the train at 49 m/s, and accelerating at 4 m/s^2. The train's whistle blows at a frequency of 460Hz. The speed of sound in air is 343 m/s. At the moment t0, the car's driver hears a whistle from the train.

What frequency does the car's driver hear?

Part B. @ a time t, after the car has passed the train and is a distance 32 m ahead of the train, the whistle blows again. What frequency does the driver hear?


Homework Equations



f' =f [ (1+ v(observer) / v) / (1- v(source) / v)] <---equation 1

x(final) = x(initial) + v t +.5 a t2 <---equation 2

f'= f [1- (v(observer)/v)] <---equation 3

The Attempt at a Solution



Part A:

460[(1+(49/343)) / (1-(25/343)) = 567.044 = WRONG ANSWER


Part B:


I treated the train as stationary to find the time,I determined the car to be traveling 24 m/s
So using equation 2
74 = 0 + 24 t + ( .5 * 4 ) t2
v(final)=49 + ( 2.54 * 4 ) = 59.16 m/s



then using equation 3 I did

f'=460(1- (59.16/343) ) = 380.66=WRONG
 
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f' =f (1+ v(observer) / v) / (1- v(source) / v)] <---equation 1
Is this what you get on simplifying the above equation?

f&#039;=f(\frac{v+v_{obs}}{v-v_{s}} )

Try not to apply the equation directly. Since, the frequency is received by the car at that moment t_{0} surely the sound wave of that frequency which we have to find out must have left some time t_{b} ago for it to reach at that instant. Apply this, it might help.

As for computing the frequency during acceleration, you cannot simply apply the standard equations. For every time period T that the wave moves forward a length \lambda the car moves to cover a length of \frac{1}{2}aT^2. The effective wavelength should now become: \lambda&#039; = \lambda - \frac{1}{2}aT^2.
 

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