Physics Heat Ice Water Mixture Question And Find Initial Mass Of Ice

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The problem involves an ice-water mixture contained in an aluminum calorimeter, where steam is condensed to raise the temperature of the mixture. Participants are tasked with determining the initial mass of ice in the mixture based on the heat transfer involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the heat transfer involved in the system, including the heating of water, melting of ice, and condensation of steam. Questions arise regarding how to calculate the energy required for the ice and water without knowing their individual masses.

Discussion Status

Some participants have expressed understanding of the heat transfer concepts but are uncertain about how to apply them due to the lack of individual mass information. Others suggest that the total mass can be used to derive the necessary calculations, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the total mass of the ice and water is given, but individual masses are not specified, leading to questions about how to proceed with the calculations.

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Homework Statement


An ice-water mixture has a mass of 180g and is contained in a 100g aluminum calorimeter When 35g of steam at 100 degree Celsius is condensed in the water, the temperature rises to 50 degree Celsius. How much ice was in the container initially?
The heat capacity of water is 4.2 x 10^3
The heat capacity of ice is 2.1 x 10^3
The latent heat of vaporization is 2.3 x10^6


Homework Equations


Q =mc delta t
Q = mLv

The Attempt at a Solution


I didnt really have an attempt because i didnt know where to start, all i did was find the Q =mLv
 
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justinh8 said:

Homework Statement


An ice-water mixture has a mass of 180g and is contained in a 100g aluminum calorimeter When 35g of steam at 100 degree Celsius is condensed in the water, the temperature rises to 50 degree Celsius. How much ice was in the container initially?
The heat capacity of water is 4.2 x 10^3
The heat capacity of ice is 2.1 x 10^3
The latent heat of vaporization is 2.3 x10^6


Homework Equations


Q =mc delta t
Q = mLv

The Attempt at a Solution


I didnt really have an attempt because i didnt know where to start, all i did was find the Q =mLv

An ice/water mixture will be at 0 degrees.

What you have here is:

Some water heated up from 0 to 50,

Some ice melted, then heated up form 0 to 50

Some aluminium heated up from 0 to 50

Some steam condensed, then cooled from 100 to 50.

The first 3 required heat to happen,

The fourth gave up heat while happening.

The heat given up and the heat required are the same.

As for masses, you know the Al and the steam. The water and ice total 180.
 
Ya I understand that part but how do i find the energy required for the Ice and Water if i don't have a mass? but only a mass for both of them together?
 
justinh8 said:
Ya I understand that part but how do i find the energy required for the Ice and Water if i don't have a mass? but only a mass for both of them together?

Once the ice melts, you have 180g of water at 0 degrees.

100g of Al and 180g of water need just so much energy to reach 50 degrees.
the extra energy from the steam must have been used to melt the ice; so you can calculate how much ice there was.
 
Oh, Ok i think i got it, i ended up with 138g of ice in the mixture initially which is correct according to the answers. Thanks!
 

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