Physics of Conductors: Understanding Electric Fields and Surface Charge Density

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The discussion revolves around the physics of conductors, specifically focusing on concepts of electrostatic equilibrium, electric fields, and surface charge density. Participants explore theoretical aspects and conceptual challenges related to these topics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether conductors must be in electrostatic equilibrium and seeks methods to calculate electric fields in non-equilibrium states.
  • Another participant emphasizes that charges on a flat surface repel each other, suggesting that this repulsion is directed parallel to the surface.
  • Several participants express difficulty in visualizing the concepts of conductors, insulators, and electrostatic equilibrium, indicating confusion about the movement of electrons and its implications for the system.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between surface charge density and the radius of curvature, with one participant seeking clarification on how these concepts are connected.
  • One participant explains that in electrostatic equilibrium, excess charges arrange themselves to minimize repulsive forces, resulting in zero electric field below the surface and a perpendicular electric field at the surface.
  • Another participant suggests drawing diagrams to illustrate the repulsive forces and their effects on charge distribution on irregular surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the visualization of these concepts, and multiple viewpoints on the implications of charge movement and surface characteristics remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding, particularly regarding the effects of localized charge interactions and the implications of surface irregularities on charge density.

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Physics - Conductors?

Hi, I am currently enrolling Engineering first year and encountered a physics conceptual problem. Please explain to me please, thanks in advance

1. Does conductors have to be in electrostatic equilibrium? if not, how do you calculate the electric field of a non-electrostatic equilibrium conductors?

2. What does it mean by: "On an irregularly shaped conductor, the surface charge density is greatest at locations where the radius of curvature of the surface is smallest"?

Thanks
 
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1) Tell us your understanding as it relates to electrostatic equilibrium.

2) The charge they are talking about have the same magnitude. Therefore on a flat surface the charges would repel each other. This repulsion force is directed parallel to the surface. Does that help?
 
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To be honest, I have having difficult visualizing conductor, insulator, and conductor electrostatic equilibrium. I know that as for conductor, electrons are freely to move around... But doesn't that disrupt the entire system since electrons are moving and it keeps on attracting protons and repelling proton. I am really confused. A diagram to explain these three would be appreicated.

Thanks
 
ranger said:
The charge they are talking about have the same magnitude. Therefore on a flat surface the charges would repel each other. This repulsion force is directed parallel to the surface. Does that help?


Sorry, I still don't get it, what does it have to do with the density and the radius of curvature of the surface is smallest?

Thanks
 
ilanwamh said:
To be honest, I have having difficult visualizing conductor, insulator, and conductor electrostatic equilibrium. I know that as for conductor, electrons are freely to move around... But doesn't that disrupt the entire system since electrons are moving and it keeps on attracting protons and repelling proton. I am really confused. A diagram to explain these three would be appreicated.

Thanks
Do not think about the localized effects individual charge interactions; they will only confuse you.

When a conductor is in electrostatic equilibrium, the excess charges [on the surface] have positioned themselves in such away as to minimize the repulsive forces. In a state of equilibrium there is no movement of charge on the surface. At this state of equilibrium, the electric field below the surface is zero. At this point the e-field at the surface is perpendicular to the surface.
 
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ilanwamh said:
Sorry, I still don't get it, what does it have to do with the density and the radius of curvature of the surface is smallest?

Thanks

Draw a picture with repulsive forces directed along the path connecting the electrons. If you have a straight surface the charges would be evenly spaced. Because of the flat surface the repulsive force is parallel to the surface. Now add some irregularities in the surface (such as bumps); how are electrons affecting each other now?
 
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Okay, I guess I won't try and visualize it... because I thought those diagrams in the book would help explain lol, but I guess they don't.

Thanks for helping rangers =)
 

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