Physics PhD Without a Bachelor's Degree - Does this Person Seem Familiar?

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The discussion revolves around the topic of individuals earning advanced degrees in physics or mathematics without traditional educational backgrounds, specifically focusing on notable cases such as those of John Moffat and Freeman Dyson. Participants share personal anecdotes and seek clarification on the details of these cases, exploring the implications of such educational paths.

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  • One participant recalls a physicist who earned a Ph.D. at Cambridge without a bachelor's degree, suggesting that this individual impressed Einstein through correspondence.
  • Another participant mentions Freeman Dyson, who received a Bachelor's in Mathematics from Cambridge and became a professor at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies without a Ph.D., speculating on his potential Nobel Prize candidacy.
  • A participant shares their personal experience of obtaining an M.A. in mathematics without a bachelor's degree, detailing their journey through various universities and the challenges faced in gaining acceptance into graduate programs.
  • There is a question raised about the validity of a specialized GMAT math test mentioned in a personal anecdote, with a suggestion that it may have been a reference to the GRE instead.

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Participants express varying degrees of familiarity with the individuals discussed, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the cases or the validity of the educational paths described. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the claims about the tests and the details of the physicists' backgrounds.

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Some statements rely on personal recollections and may lack verification, while the discussion includes assumptions about educational requirements and the nature of advanced degrees in physics and mathematics.

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I don't know if this is the right place to post it but I'm doing it.

I remember reading a bio on someone who earned a physics Ph.D at Cambridge without having a bachelor's degree. I think he got into the program by impressing Einstein or some prominent physicist by exchanging ideas by mail.

Does this person seem familliar to anyone?

I've tried Google and I just keep getting Jane Goodall.
 
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FulhamFan3 said:
I remember reading a bio on someone who earned a physics Ph.D at Cambridge without having a bachelor's degree. I think he got into the program by impressing Einstein or some prominent physicist by exchanging ideas by mail.

Does this person seem familliar to anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_%28physicist%29" .

What about the physicist who: received a Bachelor's in Mathematics from Cambridge; became a professor at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies, but never got a Ph.D.; possibly should have won a Nobel Prize in physics, but missed out becauzse at most three person can share the Nobel?
 
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I have an M.A. in math with no Bachelor's. I didn't impress Einstein. What happened was that I was an undergraduate at Rutgers and finished all of the math courses that they offered, but did not have enough credits to graduate. I asked if I could take graduate math courses for undergraduate credit. When they said yes, I then went to Temple U. and told them what Rutgers had said. Then I asked if I could just be accepted into their graduate program. They said that if I got a perfect score in the GMAT math test (not the generic one, but the specialized one) they would accept me. I did not get a perfect score, but it was close. For what reason I cannot guess, they didn't say that I couldn't attend because of my score, they said I couldn't attend because they had no fellowship for me. I said I would pay and they said I was in. After the first semester, someone dropped out and they gave me his fellowship.
 
jimmysnyder said:
I have an M.A. in math with no Bachelor's. I didn't impress Einstein. What happened was that I was an undergraduate at Rutgers and finished all of the math courses that they offered, but did not have enough credits to graduate. I asked if I could take graduate math courses for undergraduate credit. When they said yes, I then went to Temple U. and told them what Rutgers had said. Then I asked if I could just be accepted into their graduate program. They said that if I got a perfect score in the GMAT math test (not the generic one, but the specialized one) they would accept me. I did not get a perfect score, but it was close. For what reason I cannot guess, they didn't say that I couldn't attend because of my score, they said I couldn't attend because they had no fellowship for me. I said I would pay and they said I was in. After the first semester, someone dropped out and they gave me his fellowship.

Now, that's some mathematician trivia. :rolleyes:
 
neutrino said:
Now, that's some mathematician trivia. :rolleyes:
True, the story interests me more than it does others. There's a game where you tell two truths and one lie about yourself and others have to guess which is the lie. This is always picked as the lie.
 
George Jones said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moffat_%28physicist%29" .

What about the physicist who: received a Bachelor's in Mathematics from Cambridge; became a professor at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies, but never got a Ph.D.; possibly should have won a Nobel Prize in physics, but missed out becauzse at most three person can share the Nobel?

Thanks. That's exactly who I was looking for.

The person you're describing is Freeman Dyson.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
I have an M.A. in math with no Bachelor's. I didn't impress Einstein. What happened was that I was an undergraduate at Rutgers and finished all of the math courses that they offered, but did not have enough credits to graduate. I asked if I could take graduate math courses for undergraduate credit. When they said yes, I then went to Temple U. and told them what Rutgers had said. Then I asked if I could just be accepted into their graduate program. They said that if I got a perfect score in the GMAT math test (not the generic one, but the specialized one) they would accept me. I did not get a perfect score, but it was close. For what reason I cannot guess, they didn't say that I couldn't attend because of my score, they said I couldn't attend because they had no fellowship for me. I said I would pay and they said I was in. After the first semester, someone dropped out and they gave me his fellowship.

Are you sure you didn't mean the GRE math test? As far as I know there is no specialized GMAT test for math and the math portion of the GMAT is so simple that I don't know how you could prove you know enough for graduate school with it.
 

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