Physics problem involving work done by friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the application of the law of conservation of energy in the context of work done by friction. The original poster is attempting to determine the speed of a filing cabinet after it has been pushed across a floor, considering both the applied force and the frictional force acting against it.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of energy principle but questions how to properly account for the work done by friction. Some participants suggest that the net force should be considered instead of directly applying energy conservation. Others express confusion about the role of friction in energy calculations and whether it should be included in the total energy before or after.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide insights into the mechanics of the problem, while others emphasize the need to adhere to the conservation of energy framework. There is a recognition of differing viewpoints on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the treatment of friction.

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Participants note that the problem must be solved using the conservation of energy, which imposes constraints on how energy factors can be manipulated. There is also mention of the transformation of energy into heat due to friction, which complicates the understanding of energy conservation in this scenario.

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hi, I am learning about how to solve energy problems using the law of conservation of energy. I am okay with most of the problems, but I am confused about how to solve the ones involving the work done by frictional force. For example:

A clerk pushes a filing cabinet of mass 22.0 kg across the floor by exerting a horizontal force of magnitude 98N. The magnitude of the force of kinetic friction acting on the cabinet is 87N. The cabinet starts from the rest. Use the law of conservation of energy to dertermine the speed of the cabinet after it moves 1.2m.

First, I should state that due to the law of conservation of energy, total energy before=total energy after, which can be restated as:
E applied + W done by friction = E_k
(98*cos0)(1.2)+(87*cos180)(1.2)=1/2(22)(v)^2

but is it right? I know if i do it like this, i get the right answer, but that's the only reason I ended up with the statement, E applied + W done by friction = E_k, after many trials and errors!
Is the W done by friction always included in the "total energy before"? I thought it was supposed to be a part of the "total energy after" cause doesn't friction occur after the object is given some work?
please try to explain this stuff!
 
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First, there is cosine involved since you are directly dealing with a horizontal component. Second the addition is wrong. The frictional force will oppose the movement, so the net force applied on the cabinet is 90N - 87N = 3N. Now since, [tex]F_{net}d = \frac{1}{2} v^{2}[/tex], you can calculate the velocity.
 
ya, but I am supposed to solve the problem using the concept of conservation of ENERGY! and i know that you can't subtract energy factors.
read what I've asked for.
 
Conservation of energy? I don't see how is that practical. What happens is that the big part the energy (87*1.2 J) given to the cabinet gets dissipated by friction (this energy is transformed into heat between the floor and the surface of the cabinet).
 
a seeker said:
ya, but I am supposed to solve the problem using the concept of conservation of ENERGY! and i know that you can't subtract energy factors.
read what I've asked for.

i believe your approach is sound, giving V^2=1.2 In fact, except for the sequence of algebraic steps, appears to be the same as Wergs (tho he accidentally put 90 instead of 98).
 

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