Physics Problem with Spring Constant and Kinetic Friction

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The problem involves a cubic object weighing 36 kg being pulled along a table with a spring attached, requiring the determination of the ratio of the spring constant to the kinetic friction coefficient while moving at a steady speed of 1.3 m/s. The spring stretches by 3.4 cm.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of steady speed and its relation to acceleration, questioning how to apply this to the equations of motion. There are attempts to relate forces acting on the object, including the spring force and kinetic friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationships between the forces involved and attempting to derive a symbolic expression for the ratio of the spring constant to the kinetic friction coefficient. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of relevant equations, but no consensus on a final answer has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential constraints regarding unit conversions and the lack of explicit numerical values for certain parameters, which may affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A person attaches a spring to an cubic object that weighs 36kg and pulls this object along a table made of material X horizontally with a steady speed of 1.3m/s. The spring stretches a distance of 3.4cm. Find the ratio of the spring constant to the kinetic friction coefficient.

Homework Equations


I suppose FkkN
Fspring=-kx
F=ma
Not sure if any other ones are needed, but I couldn't find a way to solve this and get a reasonable answer.
 
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Q7heng said:
steady speed of 1.3m/s
What does this information tell you?
 
Bystander said:
What does this information tell you?
I'm not sure, but I tried to apply it to the F=MA formula... Am I on track?
 
Q7heng said:
I'm not sure, but I tried to apply it to the F=MA formula... Am I on track?
Okay, we'll work it through that way: "Steady speed" means what in terms of "A?"
 
Bystander said:
Okay, we'll work it through that way: "Steady speed" means what in terms of "A?"
Acceleration=0 at steady speed, but the trouble I'm having is converting everything to Newtons, since spring constant is Newtons/meter, and kinetic friction coefficient is Force of Kinetic Friction/Normal Force. The problem didn't give any units related to those calculations, maybe there is a way to convert it but I have yet figured it out/learned it.
 
Q7heng said:
I suppose Fk=μkN
This looks perfectly useful. What's the normal force?
Q7heng said:
Fspring=-kx
Nothing wrong with this.
You aren't required to generate a numerical answer for every problem on the planet. Sometimes it's just a matter of coming up with a symbolic expression.
 
Q7heng said:
Acceleration=0
FkkN
Fspring=-kx
F=ma
All good so far. Now, what is the relationship between F, Fk and Fspring?
 
haruspex said:
All good so far. Now, what is the relationship between F, Fk and Fspring?
F=Fk+Fspring right?
If that is so then:
F=MA, A=0, and F=0
So 0=Fk+Fspring
0=-kx+μkN
kx=μkN
k/μk=N/x, since we are trying to find the ratio between the spring constant and the kinetic friction coefficient
Since N, normal force, is 36*9.8N right now, and x, distance, is 3.4cm or 0.034m right now, then it is 36*9.8/0.034=10,376.47, which is the ratio of spring constant to kinetic friction, is that correct?
 
Q7heng said:
F=Fk+Fspring right?
If that is so then:
F=MA, A=0, and F=0
So 0=Fk+Fspring
0=-kx+μkN
kx=μkN
k/μk=N/x, since we are trying to find the ratio between the spring constant and the kinetic friction coefficient
Since N, normal force, is 36*9.8N right now, and x, distance, is 3.4cm or 0.034m right now, then it is 36*9.8/0.034=10,376.47, which is the ratio of spring constant to kinetic friction, is that correct?
Yes, that all looks right. But you should include the units in the answer.
 
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