Pion in rest frame and lab frame

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of pions, an unstable particle, in different reference frames. The original poster presents a problem involving the mean lifetime of pions in their rest frame versus a lab frame where they are moving at a speed of 0.60c. The poster seeks to determine the mean lifetime as measured in the lab frame and the distance traveled by the pions during this time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the time dilation formula to find the mean lifetime in the lab frame and uses a distance formula to calculate how far the pions travel. Some participants question the application of the time dilation equation and the values used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations and assumptions made by the original poster. There is some clarification regarding the use of the speed of light (c) in the context of the problem, and participants are exploring the implications of using different reference frames without reaching a consensus on the correct approach to the distance calculation.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the units and the meaning of c in the context of relativity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the values used in their calculations, particularly regarding the time in the lab frame.

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Homework Statement



An unstable particle called the pion has a mean lifetime of 25ns in its own rest frame. A beam of of pions travels through the lab with a speed of 0.60c.
a) what is the mean lifetime of the pions as measured in the lab frame?
b) how far does a pion travel ( as measured by lab observers) during this time?


Homework Equations



I was able to find part a but not sure about part b. the answer our professor porvided was 5.6m
what exactly is c? is it unit less?


The Attempt at a Solution



I found a using

t= 1/γ x t inital

for finding how far the pion traveled i was using

d=v t with 0.60 for v and 31ns for t.

however the units are not correct and my answer is not very clse to the given answer.



Thanks in advance :)

this gave me an answer of 31 ns.
 
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monke said:
for finding how far the pion traveled i was using

d=v t with 0.60 for v and 31ns for t.
I'm guessing you meant to type 25ns here?

monke said:
I found a using

t= 1/γ x t inital
I'm not sure what you mean by t initial. If it means time according to the rest frame, then the equation is wrong, because it should multiply with gamma, not one over gamma. But you do have the right answer of 31ns.

monke said:
for finding how far the pion traveled i was using

d=v t with 0.60 for v and 31ns for t.

however the units are not correct and my answer is not very clse to the given answer.
the question tells you that the pions are traveling at 0.6c, and since you have used SI units in the rest of the equation, c is not just equal to 1. (In relativity questions, c is very often used to mean the speed of light, in case you had any doubts about what it was meant to represent).
 
thank you :)
 
one more question when working problems like this and others with realtive velocity c will always be the speed of light value ? if so then how can something such as V=0.50c be able to be sub in for v^2/c^2
 
the symbol c is almost always used to mean the speed of light in vacuum (unless they specify otherwise), which is always 3*10^8 m/s (or roughly that, anyway). When you have v=0.5c and want to find v^2/c^2, just sub it in:
\frac{(0.5c)^2}{c^2}
And you can simplify this
 

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