Piston pumps versus internal gear pumps for modern engines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the comparison between piston pumps and internal gear pumps for use in modern internal combustion engines, exploring their respective advantages and disadvantages in terms of complexity, cost, efficiency, and application suitability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that piston pumps are considered the best type of pump, but this claim is qualified by the need to define "the best."
  • Others argue that while piston pumps could be used, their reciprocating mechanism introduces complexity, higher costs, more failure points, and increased vibrations at high RPMs.
  • It is noted that gear pumps are simpler, quieter, and generally require less maintenance, making them more suitable for low-pressure applications.
  • Participants highlight that piston pumps handle high pressure effectively and offer adjustable flow rates, which may be beneficial in specific applications.
  • Some contributions reference comparisons of features between gear pumps and piston pumps, indicating that the choice depends on project requirements such as pressure, flow rate, budget, and fluid type.
  • There is a suggestion that using piston pumps in modern engines may be considered overkill based on performance data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the suitability of piston pumps versus gear pumps for modern engines.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of "best," dependence on specific application requirements, and unresolved considerations regarding the complexity and cost implications of using piston pumps.

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Modern internal combustion engines use internal gear pumps for their main oil. Piston pumps are considered to be the best of the pumps. Can we use piston pumps for modern internal combustion engines instead of internal gear pumps?
 
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johnthekid said:
Piston pumps are considered to be the best of the pumps.
It depends on how you define "the best". From https://ntgdpump.com/gear-pumps-vs-piston-pumps-a-deep-performance-comparison/:

Comparing Gear Pumps and Piston Pumps​

Explore the key differences between gear pumps and piston pumps.

FeaturesGear PumpsPiston Pumps
Pressure HandlingHandles medium pressure well.Handles high pressure effectively.
Flow RateProvides a steady, fixed flow.Offers adjustable flow rates.
EfficiencyGenerally lower efficiency.Higher efficiency in operation.
Noise LevelOperates quieter than piston pumps.Typically produces more noise.
Maintenance NeedsRequires less maintenance.Maintenance can be complex and costly.
CostLower initial cost.Higher initial investment.
Fluid CompatibilityHandles thick fluids well.Requires cleaner, less viscous fluids.
Application SuitabilityBest for low-pressure applications.Ideal for high-pressure tasks.

When you compare gear pumps and piston pumps, you find that the best choice depends on what you need for your project. Gear Pumps take over 45% of the global market because they offer simple design and cost savings. Engineers often pick piston pumps when high pressure and efficiency matter most. You should look at pressure, flow rate, budget, and the type of fluid you use.

When to Use a Gear Pump​

Pick a gear pump if you want something simple and cheap. Gear pumps work well in many systems. They are great when you need a steady flow. Here are some times to use a gear pump:
  • Hydraulic systems in tractors, forklifts, and excavators
  • Car lubrication and glue machines
  • Food and chemical jobs
  • Metering and dosing jobs that need steady flow
  • Moving acids, solvents, alcohols, and pastes
Gear pumps are small and light. This makes them good for cars and planes where space is tight. If your glue machine moves thick glue, a gear pump gives you steady flow. [...]

Tip: Use a gear pump for your glue machine if you want it simple, cheap, and reliable.

When to Use a Piston Pump​

Piston pumps are best for high pressure or when you need control. Use a piston pump in these cases:
  • Construction machines like bulldozers and loaders
  • Big presses and molding machines
  • Mobile systems that need lots of power in small spaces
  • Planes and defense systems that need to be exact
Piston pumps give lots of power and work at many pressures. They last a long time if you keep them oiled. If you need careful control, like in a press or robot arm, a piston pump is best.

Note: Piston pumps need oil and clean fluids. They cannot run dry. Always follow care steps to keep your pump working.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Yes, you could, but its reciprocating mechanism would increase complexity and cost, number of failure points, and vibrations at high rpm's.

Copied from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump#Positive-displacement_pumps
"The gears pump is the simplest form of rotary positive-displacement pump."

jack action said:

So piston pumps did much better than gear pumps but using piston pumps for modern engines seem to be a little bit of overkill based on these datasets.
 
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