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Planar motion in central forces.

  1. Jun 27, 2014 #1
    I understand that in a two body problem under central force, corresponding to a potential V(r)(assume one body is massive compared to the other so that its motion is negligible), conservation of angular momentum implies the motion of the body to be in a plane spanned by position r and momentum p vectors.

    But if we have three bodies, one of them massive, are the motions of other two bodies still restricted to a plane? Now the total angular momentum is L = L1 + L2 = r1 x p1 + r2 x p2, which is conserved. Mathematically, L could be kept constant while L1 and L2 are changing. Which means we could have motions of the two bodies in two planes orthogonal to each other, a non-planar motion. Is this allowed? If not, why? Then, what is reason for the planar motion?

    In specific why is the solar system flat?
     
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  3. Jun 27, 2014 #2

    A.T.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNXKqeUtJM
     
  4. Jun 27, 2014 #3

    Philip Wood

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    If the forces on the planets are directed towards a fixed point O, (a good approximation if the Sun is much more massive than any planet), then each planet's angular momentum about O is separately conserved, since if r is the planet's displacement from O, and F is the force on the planet (towards O)…
    [tex]\mathbf r \times \mathbf F = \mathbf r \times (-F\ \mathbf {\widehat{r}}) = 0[/tex]
    But…
    [tex] \mathbf r \times \mathbf F = \mathbf r \times \frac{d \mathbf p}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt} (\mathbf r \times \mathbf p) - \frac{d \mathbf r}{dt} \times \mathbf p[/tex]
    The last term is zero because
    [tex]\frac{d \mathbf r}{dt} \times \mathbf p = \frac{d \mathbf r}{dt} \times m \frac {d \mathbf r}{dt} = 0[/tex]
    So
    [tex]\frac{d}{dt} (\mathbf r \times \mathbf p ) = 0\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \text {so} \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \mathbf r \times \mathbf p = \mathbf{constant\ vector}[/tex]
    Non-mathematically, the argument is simply that for any planet a force towards O can't give rise to a torque about O, so angular momentum about O is conserved.

    So orbital planes can be at angles to each other, but in general won't be, because of collisions in the pre-planetary swirl, as A.T.'s excellent clip explains.
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2014
  5. Jul 1, 2014 #4

    Philip Wood

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    precise: are you clearer now?
     
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