Planck constant V in E=qV question

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The original poster is investigating Planck's constant using LEDs, measuring their wavelengths and frequencies to apply the equations E=hf and E=qV. The main question revolves around which voltage value to use in the equation E=qV: the minimum voltage to produce current or the voltage at which the circuit stabilizes.

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  • Participants discuss the appropriate voltage to use in the calculation, with suggestions to consider the voltage at which the LED emits light. There are also mentions of variations in voltage with brightness and references to standard experiments.

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Some participants have provided guidance on voltage selection, while others share personal experiences with LED behavior. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations of the voltage question being explored.

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Participants mention the context of educational experiments in England and Scotland, indicating a potential regional variation in experimental practices. There is also a reference to looking into diode current equations for further insight.

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Planck constant "V" in E=qV question

1. Homework Statement

I am trying to prove Planck's constant using LEDs. So far I have measured several LED's wavelengths using a spectrometer and from this their frequency. This will be f in the equation h = E/f. For E I put the LEDs in a forward biased circuit and am trying to use the equation E = qV to find E so I can therefore find Planck's constant. My question is which value do I use for V? The minimum voltage needed to produce a current in the circuit or the voltage the circuit eventually tends to.



2. Homework Equations

E=hf
E=qV

Thanks very much in advance.

Also, do you know of any related experiments that I could do concerning this sort of area. I was going to find the wavelength of a UV LED and find its energy by a different method (not going to look at a UV LED through a spectrometer) but I wasn't sure exactly how to do that.
 
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I think you should use the voltage when the diode starts to emit light.
Once the led is conducting there should not be much variation in voltage for different brightness (current)
This is a standard experiment in England for the IOP based physics course
 


technician said:
I think you should use the voltage when the diode starts to emit light.
Once the led is conducting there should not be much variation in voltage for different brightness (current)
This is a standard experiment in England for the IOP based physics course

well i tried it today and a blue LED started at 2.50V but the voltage went well above 5V and the LED just became brighter.

I'm in Scotland by the way. Part of an investigation
 


Paul37 said:
I am trying to prove Planck's constant using LEDs. So far I have measured several LED's wavelengths using a spectrometer and from this their frequency. This will be f in the equation h = E/f. For E I put the LEDs in a forward biased circuit and am trying to use the equation E = qV to find E so I can therefore find Planck's constant. My question is which value do I use for V? The minimum voltage needed to produce a current in the circuit or the voltage the circuit eventually tends to.
Not sure, but maybe a look at the diode current equation would offer some insight.
Also, do you know of any related experiments that I could do concerning this sort of area. I was going to find the wavelength of a UV LED and find its energy by a different method (not going to look at a UV LED through a spectrometer) but I wasn't sure exactly how to do that.
If I recall correctly, over the years Scientific American's Amateur Scientist column has reported a method or two for measuring h using ingenious setups. A search there might turn up something useful.
 

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