Plane wave in Minkowski space-time

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between classical plane electromagnetic waves and Fourier decomposition in Minkowski space-time. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved and seek clarification on how these concepts interrelate, particularly in the context of electrodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the classical expression of a plane electromagnetic wave and its resemblance to the Fourier decomposition in Minkowski space-time, expressing uncertainty about their relationship.
  • Another participant explains that Fourier decomposition involves taking inner products of frequency components, noting the difference in the definition of inner products between Minkowski space and classical settings.
  • A further contribution clarifies the use of the proper Minkowskian inner product and questions the interpretation of the basis functions as plane waves, seeking evidence for this identification.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about defining a plane in Minkowski space, referencing mathematical literature that appears complex and esoteric.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between plane waves and Fourier decomposition in Minkowski space. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the definitions and interpretations involved.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about inner products in different geometrical contexts and the implications of these definitions for the identification of plane waves.

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The classical expression of a plane electromagnetic wave (electric part)

[tex] \bar{E}(t,\bar{x})=\bar{E}_{0}e^{i(\bar{k}\cdot \bar{x}-\omega t)}[/tex]

looks a lot like the basis function of the Fourier decomposition in Minkowski space-time

[tex] \bar{E}(\bar{w})=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\hat{\bar{E}}(\bar{\nu})e^{2\pi i\ \eta(\bar{\nu},\bar{w})}d\bar{\nu}[/tex]

where [itex]\bar{E}\colon\mathbb{R}^{4}\to\mathbb{R}^{4}[/itex] and [itex]\bar{w}=(ct,\bar{x})[/itex]. If I write [itex]\bar{\nu}=\frac{\nu}{c}(1,\bar{n})[/itex] with [itex]\left\|\bar{n}\right\|=1[/itex] then we get

[itex]\eta(\bar{\nu},\bar{w})=\frac{\nu}{c}\bar{n}\cdot \bar{x}-\nu t=\frac{1}{2\pi}(\bar{k}\cdot \bar{x}-\omega t)[/itex] and

[tex] \bar{E}(\bar{w})=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\hat{\bar{E}}(\bar{\nu})e^{ i\ (\bar{k}\cdot \bar{x}-\omega t)}d\bar{\nu}[/tex]

and for a monochromatic wave

[tex] \bar{E}(\bar{w})=\bar{E}(ct,\bar{x})=\hat{\bar{E}}(\bar{\nu})e^{ i\ (\bar{k}\cdot \bar{x}-\omega t)}[/tex]

which is close to the classical expression, but not exactly. So the point is, I feel Fourier decomposition in Minkowski space and the classical plane wave are related, but I'm not sure how. Can someone clarify?
 
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Hi Vox,

Fourier decomposition in both cases is implemented by taking the inner product of each possible frequency component with each frequency component of the actual wave. That works because all frequency components are mutually orthogonal (when evaluated over a suitably long time interval). But the definition of an inner product is very different in Minkowski space compared with a classical setting (Euclidean geometry).

The definition of the inner product for Minkowski space is described here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space#The_Minkowski_inner_product
 
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I used the proper Minkowskian inner product in [itex]\eta(\bar{\nu},\bar{w})=...[/itex] assuming signature (-+++), while [itex]\bar{k}\cdot \bar{x}[/itex] is the Euclidean inner product.

I don't know what you mean by "in both cases". Consider the Fourier decomposition of any map [itex]\bar{E}\colon\mathbb{R}^{4}\to\mathbb{R}^{4}[/itex] then the basis functions of the Fourier decomposition (frequency components) are [itex]\hat{\bar{E}}(\bar{\nu})e^{2\pi i\ \eta(\bar{\nu},\bar{w})}[/itex]. In the context of electrodynamics, [itex]\bar{E}[/itex] is an electric field and the basis functions look very much like plane waves. My question is: are these plane waves and if yes, how can you show this? (my attempt in the original post didn't work).

When I say "looks like", I mean that [itex]\bar{k}\cdot \bar{x}-\omega t[/itex] is the Minkowskian inner product of [itex](t,\bar{x})[/itex] and [itex](\omega,\bar{k})[/itex], although I'm not sure what the last four-vectors represents.
 
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Sorry. I'm not sure how you would even define a plane in Minkowski space. There seems to be some ideas expressed in mathematical literature but they look a bit esoteric to me.
 

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