Please double check my circuit for me (and make sure i don't get electrocuted)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and safety considerations of a stage lighting effects box project. Participants are reviewing a schematic and providing feedback on component connections, wiring techniques, and safety measures related to working with mains electricity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a potential typo regarding voltage, suggesting that 33 volts from a 5-volt regulator is incorrect and should be 3.3 volts.
  • Concerns are raised about using proper wiring techniques when working with mains electricity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of grounding the metal box to the mains ground.
  • There is a suggestion to use a plastic box instead of a metal one, questioning whether this is advisable.
  • A participant insists on the necessity of including a fuse in the hot input lead and points out that the hot and neutral slots of the outlets are shown incorrectly in the schematic.
  • Participants express discomfort with the original poster's level of knowledge regarding AC mains wiring and suggest consulting someone familiar with the National Electric Code (NEC) and UL approval practices.
  • The original poster acknowledges the need for a fuse and expresses uncertainty about the best type to use, while also detailing their plans for securing the AC mains wiring.
  • There is a mention of using a GFI outlet for added safety when powering the device.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of safety measures, such as grounding and using a fuse, but there is no consensus on the appropriateness of using a plastic enclosure versus a metal one. Additionally, there are varying levels of confidence regarding the original poster's knowledge and experience with electrical safety standards.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the original poster's understanding of electrical safety and wiring standards, highlighting the need for secure connections and adherence to codes, but do not resolve the uncertainty surrounding the choice of enclosure material.

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Hi everyone! So these forums have been great help to me as I've gone through the beginning stages of my design process and begun choosing components for my project. Thus, I figured I'd enlist your help to look over my first rough design draft.

A little about the project: The overall idea is to create a stage lighting effects box for my band. How I've decided to do it is in two parts:

First I'll connect a Xbee via UART to my computer using this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9111 ...and I'll use MATLAB to interface and send commands over the xbee.

The second part is a box with an Xbee to receive the commands, which then sends the data to a microcontroller, which switches on and off the correct electrical outlet (of which there are four). Plugged into these electrical outlets will be all kinds of stage lighting (such as a strobe light, siren light, black light and yellow light).

The second box will look something like this:
[PLAIN]http://midtownmunch.com/setup.jpg

This part of the project (the second box with the four outlets) is the part I could use design help with. So far, this is what I have for a very crude schematic:
[PLAIN]http://midtownmunch.com/circuit-diagram.jpg

Since I've never worked with any of these specific components before, I would love someone whose familiar with Xbees and microcontrollers to make sure that those connections are correct and I have everything I need. Same thing for the relays (this is the part I'm most nervous about, since they control a lot of power).

More about the specific relay I intend to use can be found here: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=101
 
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At first glance; you're not going to get 33 volts from a 5 volt regular. Probably just a typo?

Otherwise I think you have the right idea. My concern is that you use proper wiring techniques when working with the mains.

Edit: I'm for familiar with the ATMEGA16B however.
 
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dlgoff said:
At first glance; you're not going to get 33 volts from a 5 volt regular. Probably just a typo?

Otherwise I think you have the right idea. My concern is that you use proper wiring techniques when working with the mains.

Edit: I'm for familiar with the ATMEGA16B however.
Oh crap, that should be 3.3, not 33. My bad--fixed. Did you mean you're -not- familiar with the ATMEGA168?

Making sure I use proper wiring techniques when working with the mains is my concern, too. If you see anything wrong with my schematic, or just have any tips/tricks, please let me know!
 
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Yea. My bad. I'm not familiar with the ATMEGA168.

Make sure that you have the metal box grounded to the mains ground.
 
dlgoff said:
Yea. My bad. I'm not familiar with the ATMEGA168.

Make sure that you have the metal box grounded to the mains ground.

What about using a plastic box -- or is that a really bad idea?
 
You need a fuse in your hot input lead. You show the Hot and Neutral slots of the outlets backwards. (The small one is the hot slot; the longer one is the Neutral slot.)

And as Don says, you need to connect the ground wire of the input plug to the metal body of your enclosure. It needs to be connected with a secure screw or stud.

Your AC Mains wiring inside needs to be very securely done, with little chance of loose connections. I'm not real comfortable with your level of knowledge so far on this project -- is there anybody near you who is familiar with the NEC (national electric code) and common practices for devices that would generally get UL approval?
 
berkeman said:
You need a fuse in your hot input lead. You show the Hot and Neutral slots of the outlets backwards. (The small one is the hot slot; the longer one is the Neutral slot.)

And as Don says, you need to connect the ground wire of the input plug to the metal body of your enclosure. It needs to be connected with a secure screw or stud.

Your AC Mains wiring inside needs to be very securely done, with little chance of loose connections. I'm not real comfortable with your level of knowledge so far on this project -- is there anybody near you who is familiar with the NEC (national electric code) and common practices for devices that would generally get UL approval?
A fuse is a really good idea -- I was thinking about adding one. Do you know of any good fuses (digikey preferably) for this project?

I'm definitely aware that if I use a metal enclosure I'll need to ground it -- I was wondering if I could use a plastic enclosure instead, or if that was a bad idea?

For the AC main wiring, it'll be screwed and soldered in place, and then I will wrap electrical tape around the whole outlet. It should be pretty secure. I am also not that confident with working with such high power, but no I don't know anyone around me who is familiar with the NEC or knows anything about common practices for UL approval. I think if I put a fuse in there, use a grounded metal box, and solder/tape/twist all the wires into place on the mains, though, it shouldn't be a huge problem. Also, I'll probably plug the actual power wire to the box (the one providing power to the 4 main outlets) into a GFI in my wall (instead of a regular outlet) for added safety when I use it.
 

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