Plot Bremsstrahlung Energy Spectra - Formula & Tips

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around plotting bremsstrahlung energy spectra, including inquiries about relevant formulas and methods for visualization. Participants explore the complexities of calculating and measuring these spectra, particularly in relation to different materials and experimental setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to plot bremsstrahlung energy spectra and requests formulas related to the topic.
  • Another participant points out the various parameters that could be plotted, such as total integrated power, spectrally resolved power, atomic number, energy, wavelength, and temperature.
  • A participant notes the difficulty in calculating the exact shape of the spectrum and suggests that measuring it is easier, providing an estimate for the fraction of incident energy converted into photons.
  • It is mentioned that spectral density of intensity is typically plotted against wavelength, but plotting against frequency may yield interesting results, with a suggestion to apply a Jacobian transformation for accurate representation.
  • A participant expresses a desire to plot the intensity of x-ray energy produced in bremsstrahlung reactions with different targets, specifically mentioning tungsten and the need to show peaks corresponding to k and L shells.
  • Another participant clarifies that the peaks referred to are characteristic lines, not bremsstrahlung, and questions the existence of a formula for obtaining the spectra.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of calculating detailed x-ray emission spectra and suggests looking into existing literature for similar experiments rather than seeking a straightforward formula.
  • One participant reiterates the importance of the Jacobian transformation when plotting intensity against frequency and seeks guidance on where to find experimental data for these spectra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the peaks in the spectra, with some asserting they are characteristic lines rather than bremsstrahlung. There is no consensus on a specific formula for obtaining the spectra, and the discussion reflects a range of opinions on the complexity of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for detailed specifications of experimental conditions to accurately calculate or plot bremsstrahlung spectra. There are mentions of various factors that influence the results, such as the type of target and experimental setup, which remain unresolved.

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Hi all
How can I plot bremsstrahlung energy spectra?What is the formula for this topic?
Pleas help me!
thanks a lot.
 
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Plot what vs. what? There are lots of things you could plot - total integrated power, spectrally resolved power, atomic number, energy, wavelength, temperature...
 
The exact shape of the spectrum as well as the intensity in any given configuration of the source/absorber is very difficult to calculate. It's easier measuring it. However, there are estimates for the fraction of the incident energy thatis converted into photons:

fraction=3.5x10-4ZE

where Z is the atomic number of the absorber and E is the maximum beta energy.
 
One usually plots spectral density of the intensity vs. wavelength. However, if you try to plot it vs. frequency, you might find some interesting reslut. Make sure you use the transformation for the Jacobian as well:
[tex] I_{\lambda}(\lambda) \, |d\lambda| = I_{\nu}(\nu) \, |d\nu|, \; \lambda = c/\nu[/tex]

[tex] I_{\nu}(\nu) = I_{\lambda}\left(\frac{c}{\nu}\right) \, \left|\frac{d \lambda}{d \nu}\right| = \frac{c}{\nu^{2}} \, I_{\lambda}\left(\frac{c}{\nu}\right)[/tex]

I suggest you take several points from an experimental spectrum, change the ordinate and use the above Jacobian transformation and plot it.
 
Thanks for all's replays
I want to plot intensity of the produced x-ray energy in bremsstrahlumg reaction with different targets (for example tungsten) so that the peaks (k and L shell) are shown.
 
But, peaks are not bremsstrahlung. They are what is called characteristic lines.
 
Dickfore said:
But, peaks are not bremsstrahlung. They are what is called characteristic lines.

Ok.That's right. But is there any formula for obtain this spectra?
 
ne_237 said:
Ok.That's right. But is there any formula for obtain this spectra?

I think you're in way over your head and have an enormous amount of reading to do. People spend entire professional careers calculating detailed x-ray emission spectra for different kinds of experiments, and you haven't even broadly specified what the experiment is, never mind all the details that matter. If you just want spectra, dig around in the literature for an experiment similar to whatever it is you have in mind - electron impact, cold/warm target, thick/thin target, laser heating, pulse power, commercial x-ray tube, etc.
 
Dickfore said:
One usually plots spectral density of the intensity vs. wavelength. However, if you try to plot it vs. frequency, you might find some interesting reslut. Make sure you use the transformation for the Jacobian as well:
[tex] I_{\lambda}(\lambda) \, |d\lambda| = I_{\nu}(\nu) \, |d\nu|, \; \lambda = c/\nu[/tex]

[tex] I_{\nu}(\nu) = I_{\lambda}\left(\frac{c}{\nu}\right) \, \left|\frac{d \lambda}{d \nu}\right| = \frac{c}{\nu^{2}} \, I_{\lambda}\left(\frac{c}{\nu}\right)[/tex]

I suggest you take several points from an experimental spectrum, change the ordinate and use the above Jacobian transformation and plot it.

where I can give experimental data of this spectra?Can you help me and introduce some sites?
Thanks
 

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