Poincare invariant action of a point particle

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The discussion revolves around the Poincaré invariant action of a point particle as presented in Joseph Polchinski’s "String Theory, Vol. 1". Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the action, addressing various aspects of its components and their physical significance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the role of the negative mass in the action and seeks clarification on the negative sign in front of the derivative, the square root term, and the meaning of the "pp" subscript.
  • Another participant explains that the negative inside the square root is due to the choice of metric, which ensures that timelike vectors satisfy a specific condition.
  • The same participant notes that the mass term is necessary for dimensional consistency and relates to the classical limit of the Lagrangian.
  • A further contribution suggests that "pp" stands for point particle and elaborates on the proper time formulation.
  • There is a mention of a more elegant form of the action using the einbein formulation, which introduces an alternative perspective on the topic.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarifications received and reflects on their understanding of the terms "metric", "kinetic energy", and "Lagrangian".
  • There is a side discussion regarding the appropriate categorization of the thread, with differing opinions on whether it belongs in the homework or classical physics section.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and differing views, particularly regarding the classification of the thread's topic. While some aspects of the mathematical formulation are clarified, no consensus is reached on the broader implications or interpretations of the action.

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Participants acknowledge the dependence on the choice of metric and the implications for the mathematical formulation, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or the broader context of string theory versus classical physics.

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I am an MPhys graduate currently reading Joseph Polchinski’s, String Theory, Vol. 1. Unsurprisingly I’m stuck on the first real bit of maths… :p
I quote from page 10, heh:
“The simplest Poincaré invariant action that does not depend on the parametrization would be proportional to the proper time along the world line,
S_pp = -m∫dτ(- δX¬μ/δτ δX_μ/δτ )^1/2 “
Where X¬μ is a covariant tensor of time dependent equations describing the position of the particle in all space time dimensions and X_μ is the contravariant tensor. (I don't know how to write subscripts or superscripts in this btw).
Now I understand basic tensor rules, and know that a Poincare invariant action is given by: dS = L dt. My questions are: why does the negative mass come into the equation? ; why does the negative in front of the derivative come into it?; why is the term in brackets square rooted?; and where does the pp subscript come from? Perhaps someone could point me to an article or web page that could help, or if you know the answers and would be so kind, perhaps explain this equation to me.
Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks.
 
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The negative inside the square root simply comes from the choice of metric. If you choose the metric so that timelike vectors satisfy [tex]g(v,v) < 0[/tex], then you have to have a negative inside to take the square root and avoid imaginary thingies.

The m can be seen as arising from two places, first it insures the action is dimensionless. Second, the overall coeffecient is fixed by requiring that the classical limit of your Lagrangian reproduce the usual result, namely [tex]L = \frac{1}{2} m v^2[/tex].

Hope this helps.

Edit: I noticed some other questions so let me answer them also. The 'pp' presumably stands for point particle. The square root comes from the fact that the proper time is [tex] d\tau = (-g_{\mu \nu} dx^\mu dx^\nu)^{1/2}.[/tex]
 
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Thankyou very much for your speedy reply. I'm happy with the negative in the brackets now and the dimensionally necessary m. I'm looking into the other points you mentioned as I write, but I strongly suspect you have given me much needed pointers with the word "metric", the kinetic energy equation and the word "Lagrangian". :) Hopefully my physics brain will warm up once the cobwebs accumulated over long disuse have been brushed away, heh. Thanks again.

P.S. should this thread be in the homework or in the classical physics section?
 
A question about string theory seems oddly out of place in the classical physics section ;)
 
It's not about string theory at all and is about classical physics. A more elegant form for that action is the einbein formulation

[tex]S^{L}\left[x^{\mu},e \right] =-\frac{1}{2}\int_{\tau_{1}}^{\tau_{2}} d\tau \left(\frac{-\dot{x}^{\mu}\dot{x}_{\mu}}{e}-m^{2}e\right)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
thx dan =)

for those tempted to post more in this thread, the question was resolved about a week ago, but thanks all!
 

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