Point (a, b) Reflected About Two Lines

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The discussion revolves around the reflection of a point (a, b) across two lines, specifically the line y = 3x and a general line y = mx. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of the coordinates of the reflected points and seek hints or steps to solve the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests steps or hints to show that the coordinates of the reflected point when reflecting (a, b) in the line y = 3x are [(3b - 4a)/5, (3a + 4b)/5].
  • Another participant generalizes the reflection method for a point (a, b) about the line y = mx + k, providing a formula for the reflected coordinates (a', b').
  • The derived formulas for a' and b' are presented, specifically for the case when m = 3 and k = 0, leading to the same coordinates as requested in the first post.
  • There is a focus on ensuring the two points are distinct and the distance from the original point to the line is maintained in the reflection process.

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Participants generally agree on the method of reflection and the derived formulas, but there is no explicit consensus on the second part of the question regarding the reflection across the line y = mx, as it remains open for further exploration.

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The discussion includes mathematical expressions and derivations that may depend on specific assumptions about the values of m and k, as well as the conditions under which the reflection is valid.

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This question is found in the challenge section of the textbook. This is a two-part question. Like always, I am looking for steps or hints that will allow me to work out the math.

1. If the point (a, b) is reflected in the line y = 3x, show that the coordinates of the reflected points are as follows:

[(3b - 4a)/5, (3a + 4b)/5]

2. If the point (a, b) is reflected in the line y = mx, what are the coordinates of the reflected point?
 
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RTCNTC said:
This question is found in the challenge section of the textbook. This is a two-part question. Like always, I am looking for steps or hints that will allow me to work out the math.

1. If the point (a, b) is reflected in the line y = 3x, show that the coordinates of the reflected points are as follows:

[(3b - 4a)/5, (3a + 4b)/5]

2. If the point (a, b) is reflected in the line y = mx, what are the coordinates of the reflected point?
What have you tried?

-Dan
 
Let's generalize the method I posted http://mathhelpboards.com/pre-calculus-21/reflection-about-y-x-20690-post94058.html#post94058 to reflect a given point $(a,b)$ about the line $y=mx+k$, where ($m\ne0$). We will call the reflected point $(a',b')$.

First, we want the distance $d$ between the given point and the line:

$$d=\frac{|ma+k-b|}{\sqrt{m^2+1}}$$

So, we know $(a'b')$ must lie along the line:

$$y=-\frac{1}{m}(x-a)+b$$

Hence:

$$mb'-mb=a-a'\tag{1}$$

We also know the distance from $(a'b')$ to the line must be $d$, so we have:

$$d=\frac{|ma'+k-b'|}{\sqrt{m^2+1}}$$

Thus, we want to look at (to ensure the two points are distinct):

$$ma+k-b=-ma'-k+b'$$

$$b+b'-k=ma+ma'+k\tag{2}$$

From (1), we find:

$$b'=\frac{mb+a-a'}{m}$$

And from (2):

$$b'=ma+ma'-b+2k$$

Hence:

$$\frac{mb+a-a'}{m}=ma+ma'-b+2k$$

Solving for $a'$, there results:

$$a'=\frac{(1-m^2)a+2m(b-k)}{m^2+1}$$

And so plugging this value into either expression for $b'$ above gives us (after simplification):

$$b'=\frac{(m^2-1)b+2(ma+k)}{m^2+1}$$

Now we have a general formula. (Clapping)

In the given problem, we have $m=3$ and $k=0$, thus:

$$a'=\frac{(1-3^2)a+2(3)(b-0)}{3^2+1}=\frac{-8a+6b}{10}=\frac{3b-4a}{5}$$

$$b'=\frac{(3^2-1)b+2((3)a+0)}{3^2+1}=\frac{8b+6a}{10}=\frac{4b+3a}{5}$$
 
MarkFL said:
Let's generalize the method I posted http://mathhelpboards.com/pre-calculus-21/reflection-about-y-x-20690-post94058.html#post94058 to reflect a given point $(a,b)$ about the line $y=mx+k$, where ($m\ne0$). We will call the reflected point $(a',b')$.

First, we want the distance $d$ between the given point and the line:

$$d=\frac{|ma+k-b|}{\sqrt{m^2+1}}$$

So, we know $(a'b')$ must lie along the line:

$$y=-\frac{1}{m}(x-a)+b$$

Hence:

$$mb'-mb=a-a'\tag{1}$$

We also know the distance from $(a'b')$ to the line must be $d$, so we have:

$$d=\frac{|ma'+k-b'|}{\sqrt{m^2+1}}$$

Thus, we want to look at (to ensure the two points are distinct):

$$ma+k-b=-ma'-k+b'$$

$$b+b'-k=ma+ma'+k\tag{2}$$

From (1), we find:

$$b'=\frac{mb+a-a'}{m}$$

And from (2):

$$b'=ma+ma'-b+2k$$

Hence:

$$\frac{mb+a-a'}{m}=ma+ma'-b+2k$$

Solving for $a'$, there results:

$$a'=\frac{(1-m^2)a+2m(b-k)}{m^2+1}$$

And so plugging this value into either expression for $b'$ above gives us (after simplification):

$$b'=\frac{(m^2-1)b+2(ma+k)}{m^2+1}$$

Now we have a general formula. (Clapping)

In the given problem, we have $m=3$ and $k=0$, thus:

$$a'=\frac{(1-3^2)a+2(3)(b-0)}{3^2+1}=\frac{-8a+6b}{10}=\frac{3b-4a}{5}$$

$$b'=\frac{(3^2-1)b+2((3)a+0)}{3^2+1}=\frac{8b+6a}{10}=\frac{4b+3a}{5}$$
Thank you very much. Great work!
 

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