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The discussion centers around understanding pointwise convergence as presented in Example 6.2.2 (iii) of Stephen Abbott's "Understanding Analysis." Participants are exploring the mechanics of the limit involving the expression $\lim_{n \to \infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}$ and its implications for values of $x$ in the interval $[-1, 1]$.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on how to interpret the limit $\lim_{n \to \infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}$ for different ranges of $x$.
  • One participant notes that for $x > 0$, the limit approaches 1, while for $x = 0$, it approaches 0, and for $x < 0$, it approaches -1.
  • Another participant elaborates that the power $\frac{1}{2n-1}$ indicates that these are odd radicals, which influences the behavior of the limit for negative values of $x$.
  • There is a discussion about the reasoning behind the limits for negative values of $x$, with emphasis on the behavior of odd roots.
  • Participants express curiosity about the necessity of knowing these limits and the conditions under which they hold.

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Participants generally agree on the behavior of the limit for positive and zero values of $x$, but there is some uncertainty regarding the interpretation and reasoning for negative values of $x$. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the reasoning behind these limits.

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Limitations include potential missing assumptions about the continuity and behavior of the function as $n$ approaches infinity, as well as the specific definitions of limits in the context of sequences of functions.

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I am reading Stephen Abbott's book: "Understanding Analysis" (Second Edition) ...

I am focused on Chapter 6: Sequences and Series of Functions ... and in particular on pointwise convergence...

I need some help to understand the 'mechanics' of Example 6.2.2 (iii) ...

Example 6.2.2 reads as follows:View attachment 8580In the above text from Abbott, in Example 6.2.2 (iii), we read the following:


" ... ... $\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty }$ $$h_n (x) = x$$ $\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty }$ $$ x^{ \frac{1}{ 2n -1 } } = \ \mid x \mid $$ ... ... "

Can someone please explain exactly how ...$$x $$ $\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty }$ $$ x^{ \frac{1}{ 2n -1 } } = \ \mid x \mid $$ ... ... "
Peter
 

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Peter said:
I am reading Stephen Abbott's book: "Understanding Analysis" (Second Edition) ...

I am focused on Chapter 6: Sequences and Series of Functions ... and in particular on pointwise convergence...

I need some help to understand the 'mechanics' of Example 6.2.2 (iii) ...

Example 6.2.2 reads as follows:In the above text from Abbott, in Example 6.2.2 (iii), we read the following:


" ... ... $\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty }$ $$h_n (x) = x$$ $\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty }$ $$ x^{ \frac{1}{ 2n -1 } } = \ \mid x \mid $$ ... ... "

Can someone please explain exactly how ...$$x $$ $\displaystyle \lim_{n \to \infty }$ $$ x^{ \frac{1}{ 2n -1 } } = \ \mid x \mid $$ ... ... "
Peter

Keep in mind that $x\in[-1,1]$. Note that
\[\lim_{n\to\infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}=\begin{cases}-1, & x\in[-1,0),\\ 0, & x=0,\\ 1, & x\in(0,1].\end{cases}\]
So in the end, we find that
\[x\lim_{n\to\infty}x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}} = \begin{cases}x, & x\geq 0,\\ -x,& x<0\end{cases} = |x|.\]
I hope this makes sense!
 
Chris L T521 said:
Keep in mind that $x\in[-1,1]$. Note that
\[\lim_{n\to\infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}=\begin{cases}-1, & x\in[-1,0),\\ 0, & x=0,\\ 1, & x\in(0,1].\end{cases}\]
So in the end, we find that
\[x\lim_{n\to\infty}x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}} = \begin{cases}x, & x\geq 0,\\ -x,& x<0\end{cases} = |x|.\]
I hope this makes sense!
Thanks Chris ...

... just a clarification ...

How did you determine that

$$\lim_{n\to\infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}} = -1, \ \ \text{ for } \ \ x\in [-1,0)$$

and

$$\lim_{n\to\infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}} = 1, \ \ \text{ for } \ \ x \in (0,1]$$ ...Do you just have to know these limits ... ?PeterPS I'm particularly curious about the case where x is negative ...
 
Peter said:
Thanks Chris ...

... just a clarification ...

How did you determine that

$$\lim_{n\to\infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}} = -1, \ \ \text{ for } \ \ x\in [-1,0)$$

and

$$\lim_{n\to\infty} x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}} = 1, \ \ \text{ for } \ \ x \in (0,1]$$ ...Do you just have to know these limits ... ?PeterPS I'm particularly curious about the case where x is negative ...

The power on $x$ is $\frac{1}{2n-1}$ which implies these are odd radicals for $n\geq 2$ (when $n=1$, the expression is just $x$). So if $x>0$, $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}>0$ and since $\frac{1}{2n-1}\rightarrow 0$ as $n\rightarrow\infty$, we find that $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}\rightarrow 1$ (since $a^0=1$ for $a\neq 0$).

On the other hand, when $x<0$, we can factor negatives out of odd radicals, so we find that $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}=-(-x)^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}<0$. Since $x<0\implies -x>0$, we find that as $n\to\infty$, $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}=-(-x)^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}\rightarrow -1$ for $x<0$ (note that $(-x)^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}\rightarrow 1$ as $n\rightarrow \infty$ by similar reasoning in the previous paragraph).

I hope this clarifies things!
 
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Chris L T521 said:
The power on $x$ is $\frac{1}{2n-1}$ which implies these are odd radicals for $n\geq 2$ (when $n=1$, the expression is just $x$). So if $x>0$, $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}>0$ and since $\frac{1}{2n-1}\rightarrow 0$ as $n\rightarrow\infty$, we find that $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}\rightarrow 1$ (since $a^0=1$ for $a\neq 0$).

On the other hand, when $x<0$, we can factor negatives out of odd radicals, so we find that $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}=-(-x)^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}<0$. Since $x<0\implies -x>0$, we find that as $n\to\infty$, $x^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}=-(-x)^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}\rightarrow -1$ for $x<0$ (note that $(-x)^{\frac{1}{2n-1}}\rightarrow 1$ as $n\rightarrow \infty$ by similar reasoning in the previous paragraph).

I hope this clarifies things!
Very clear thanks Chris ...

Your help is much appreciated ...

Peter
 

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