Pointwise vs. uniform convergence

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of pointwise and uniform convergence, specifically focusing on the definitions of pointwise boundedness and uniform boundedness of functions. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and question the relationship between them, particularly in the context of finite and infinite domains.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines pointwise boundedness and uniform boundedness, noting that the former depends on each point in the set while the latter does not.
  • A question is raised about whether taking the maximum of a finite-valued function \(\phi\) could imply that every pointwise bounded function is also uniformly bounded.
  • Another participant suggests that in the case of a finite domain, both notions of boundedness coincide, but this may not hold for countable or uncountable domains.
  • It is mentioned that the supremum can be unbounded even if each individual point is bounded, indicating a potential discrepancy between pointwise and uniform boundedness.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the term "finite-valued," suggesting it refers to the function being finite for each \(x\), rather than implying boundedness in the uniform sense.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between pointwise and uniform boundedness, particularly in relation to finite versus infinite domains. The discussion remains unresolved regarding whether pointwise bounded functions can be uniformly bounded.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and implications of boundedness may depend on the nature of the domain (finite, countable, uncountable) and that the distinction between maximum and supremum is crucial in understanding these concepts.

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A function is pointwise bounded on a set [tex]E[/tex] if for every [tex]x\in E[/tex] there is a finite-valued function [tex]\phi[/tex] such that [tex]|f_n(x)|<\phi(x)[/tex] for [tex]n=1,2,...[/tex].

A function is uniformly bounded on [tex]E[/tex] if there is a number [tex]M[/tex] such that [tex]|f_n(x)|<M[/tex] for all [tex]x\in E, n=1,2,...[/tex].

I understand that in uniform boundedness, the bound is independent of [tex]x[/tex] and in pointwise convergence it is dependent. My question is this: if we take [tex]M=\max\phi(x)[/tex], then since [tex]\phi[/tex] is finite-valued, wouldn't this make every pointwise bounded function a uniformly bounded function? I don't understand.
 
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If E is the set (0,1) and [tex]\phi=\frac{1}{x}[/tex]...

I think you can figure out the rest
 
Oh, thanks. It said finite-valued which I took to mean bounded.
 
I think for domain being a finite set, both notions coincide because maximum is indeed supremem. However, when it is either countable or uncountable domain, it is not necessary to have the equivalence between maximum and supremum. And it can turn out that supremum is unbounded depsite boundedness at each x. Office_Shredder showed a nice example.
 
ForMyThunder said:
Oh, thanks. It said finite-valued which I took to mean bounded.

Finite-valued must have merely meant that [itex]|\phi(x)| < \infty[/itex] for all [itex]x[/itex].
 

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