Polar equations of conics question

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on deriving the polar equation of a hyperbola given its vertices at (4, π/2) and (-1, 3π/2). The user calculated the center at (0, 2.5), with eccentricity e = 5/3, leading to the equation r = (5/3)p / (1 + (5/3)sin(θ)). However, discrepancies arose when substituting the vertices into the equation, yielding different p values (32/5 and 2/5), while the textbook states p = 8/5. The confusion stems from the correct application of the polar equation format and the signs used in the denominator.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of polar coordinates and their conversion to rectangular coordinates.
  • Knowledge of hyperbolic geometry, including vertices and foci.
  • Familiarity with the concepts of eccentricity and its calculation.
  • Proficiency in manipulating polar equations, specifically the forms r = ep / (1 ± cos(θ)) and r = ep / (1 ± sin(θ)).
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of polar equations for conics, focusing on hyperbolas.
  • Learn how to convert between polar and rectangular coordinates accurately.
  • Explore the implications of eccentricity in conic sections and its geometric significance.
  • Review examples of hyperbolas in polar coordinates to solidify understanding of the equation forms.
USEFUL FOR

Students and educators in mathematics, particularly those focusing on conic sections, polar coordinates, and hyperbolic geometry. This discussion is beneficial for anyone seeking clarity on deriving and applying polar equations for hyperbolas.

demonelite123
Messages
216
Reaction score
0
for this problem, I've been given the vertices of the hyperbola as (4, pi/2) and (-1, 3pi/2). the question asks to find the polar equation of this hyperbola.

so what i did was do a quick sketch of the graph. (4, pi/2) is essentially (0,4) and (-1, 3pi/2) is essentially (0,1). the midpoint of the two vertices is (0,2.5) so that's the center. since the focus is at (0,0), c = 2.5 and a = 1.5

therefore e = c/a and e = 5/3

so i wrote out the equation r = (5/3)p / 1 + (5/3)sin& since the directrix is above the x-axis or polar axis between the two vertices. (by the way I'm using "&" to stand for the greek letter theta.)

then i just used one of the points they gave me (4, pi/2) and plugged it into the equation to solve for p. 4 = (5/3)p / (1 + (5/3)) when i solve for p, i get that p = 32/5.

however when i plug in the other point they gave me for the hyperbola (-1, 3pi/2), i get a different p value. -1 = (5/3)p / (1 - (5/3)) and when i solve for p i get that p = 2/5.

what's going on? how come the p values are different? both points are vertices of the hyperbola so i don't know why I'm getting different answers. the back of my textbook says that p = 8/5. how did the book get that? and how am i getting two different p values? please help me! I'm so confused.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What are you using for the eccentricity? Assuming the vertices are also given in polar coordinates, the vertices are at (0, 4) and (0, -1) so the center is at (0,3/2) but there are an infinite number of hyperboles that fit that.
 
the vertices they have given me are (4, pi/2) and (-1, 3pi/2) which in rectangular coordinates is (0,4) and (0,1) so the center of the hyperbola is (0,5/2) and (0,0) is one focus of the hyperbola.

so using that info i determined that c = 2.5 (the distance from center to focus) and a = 1.5 (distance from center to vertex). and i know that e = c/a, so i did e = 2.5 / 1.5 = 5/3

so my eccentricity of this hyperbola is 5/3.
 
demonelite123 said:
so i wrote out the equation r = (5/3)p / 1 + (5/3)sin& since the directrix is above the x-axis or polar axis between the two vertices. (by the way I'm using "&" to stand for the greek letter theta.)

Hmmm... shouldn't this be:

r=\frac{\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)p}{-1+\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)\sin(\theta)}


?:wink:
 
hm in my textbook, they only show the formulas r = ep / (1 +/- cos(&)) and r = ep / (1 +/- sin(&))

(& stands for "theta")

how did you get the -1 in your equation?
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K