Polariton, magnon, or something similar

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of polaritons and magnons within the context of electromagnetic fields in polarizable and magnetizable media. Participants explore the quantization of the displacement field \(\mathbf{D}\) and the magnetic field \(\mathbf{H}\), questioning the terminology and classification of their respective quanta. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to these quasiparticles.

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  • One participant introduces the field \(\mathbf{D} = \mathbf{E} + \mathbf{P}\) and questions whether its quanta are called polaritons, seeking clarification on the terminology.
  • Another participant references Hopfield's original paper on polaritons, noting that many types of quasiparticles can be classified as polaritons, including excitons and optical phonons.
  • A participant discusses the superficial similarity between electric and magnetic fields, emphasizing that at higher frequencies, effects can be described in terms of \(\mathbf{E}, \mathbf{D},\) and \(\mathbf{B}\) with \(\mathbf{H} = \mathbf{B}\), while at lower frequencies, different assumptions about polarization and magnetization apply.
  • One participant suggests that both magnons and polaritons arise from the coupling of the electromagnetic field to the medium's current density, proposing that the distinction between D-quanta and H-quanta may be a matter of convention.
  • Another participant proposes that the classification of photons as E-quanta or B-quanta could similarly be a matter of convention, suggesting a potential unification of these concepts through a Faraday tensor in matter.
  • Discussion of gauge choice arises, with participants noting that the relationship between charge density and polarization-magnetization vectors allows for some freedom in definitions, impacting how fields are expressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of quanta associated with \(\mathbf{D}\) and \(\mathbf{H}\), with some suggesting a conventional perspective while others emphasize distinct physical implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and classifications of these quasiparticles.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of fields at different frequencies and the implications of gauge choices, which are not fully resolved. The relationship between various vectors and tensors is also noted as a point of complexity.

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In a polarizable medium, one introduces the field
$${\bf D}={\bf E}+{\bf P}$$
where ##{\bf E}## is the electric field and ##{\bf P}## is the polarization. (Units are chosen such that there are no additional factors.) When this field is quantized (second quantization), one gets quanta of ##{\bf D}## which are similar to photons. Are these quanta of ##{\bf D}## called polaritons? If not, then what is the name of those ##{\bf D}##-quanta, and where can I find more about them?

Similarly, for magnetic fields we have
$${\bf H}={\bf B}-{\bf M}$$
where ##{\bf M}## is magnetization, etc. Are the quanta of ##{\bf H}## called magnons? If not, then what is the name of those ##{\bf H}##-quanta, and where can I find more about them?
 
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Here's Hopfield's original paper coining the term "polariton:"
http://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.112.1555
He quantizes the ##\textbf{D}## field, which yields 2 different creation operators: one for the photon and one for the polariton (Equations 6-8). He goes on to show that many different types of quasiparticles can be classified as polaritons, including excitons and optical phonons.

I don't know too much about magnons, but it seems reasonable to think they're analogous.
 
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The similarity between electric and magnetic fields is only superficial. In fact, at higher frequencies, like in optics, all effects of the medium can be described in terms of E, D, and B with H=B. The magnetic effects are encoded in a nonlocal dependence of P on E. This is called spatial dispersion and is the usual convention chosen in optics. At lower frequencies, namely radiowaves, it is more common to assume a local dependence of P on E and a local relation between M and B. This is also related to the response of spin degrees of freedom becoming unimportant at optical frequencies.
Magnons are typically the excitations involving spin degrees of freedom.
This is discussed quite in detail in Landau Lifshetz, Electrodynamics of continua.
 
DrDu said:
In fact, at higher frequencies, like in optics, all effects of the medium can be described in terms of E, D, and B with H=B.
Why would one be only interested in higher frequencies?
 
Demystifier said:
Why would one be only interested in higher frequencies?
Did I say so?
 
What I mean is the following: Both magnons and polaritons are effects that result from the coupling of the electromagnetic field to the mediums current density j.
In the case of magnons, you can express j either in terms of P or M: ##j=-\partial P/\partial t## or ##j=\mathrm{rot} M##. So whether they are D-quanta or H-quanta is at best a matter of convention and not a physical distinction.
 
DrDu said:
So whether they are D-quanta or H-quanta is at best a matter of convention and not a physical distinction.
Is it like saying that whether photon is an E-quanta or B-quanta is a matter of convention?
 
Demystifier said:
Is it like saying that whether photon is an E-quanta or B-quanta is a matter of convention?
I bet you could write a Faraday tensor in matter as something like ##D^{\mu \nu} = F^{\mu \nu} + a P^{\mu \nu}## where ##F## is the standard Faraday tensor and ##P## is a polarization/magnetization tensor and just quantize the whole thing. Then polaritons would just be ##P##-quanta and everything else (magnons, spinons, phonons, excitons, etc.) would just be a specific instantiation of a polariton.
 
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It is rather a choice of gauge. This is most clear in a 4-vector formulation. The charge density charge current vector ##j_\mu## is related to the polarisation-magnetization vector ## \Pi_{\mu \nu}## via ##j_\nu=\partial_\mu \Pi_{\mu \nu}##. This equation actually defines the tensor ##\Pi##. But the definition is not unique, as we may add any solution of ##\partial_\mu \Pi^{(0)}_{\mu \nu}=0##. A possible choice is ##\Pi_{0i}=P_i=-\Pi_{i0}## and the other components of ##\Pi=0##. Then the material currents are described exclusively in terms of polarisation.
 
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DrDu said:
It is rather a choice of gauge. This is most clear in a 4-vector formulation. The charge density charge current vector ##j_\mu## is related to the polarisation-magnetization vector ## \Pi_{\mu \nu}## via ##j_\nu=\partial_\mu \Pi_{\mu \nu}##. This equation actually defines the tensor ##\Pi##. But the definition is not unique, as we may add any solution of ##\partial_\mu \Pi^{(0)}_{\mu \nu}=0##. A possible choice is ##\Pi_{0i}=P_i=-\Pi_{i0}## and the other components of ##\Pi=0##. Then the material currents are described exclusively in terms of polarisation.
But ##P^{\mu\nu}## in post #9 is gauge invariant. How is your ##\Pi_{\mu \nu}## related to ##P^{\mu\nu}##?
 
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The two are the same. I meant "choice of gauge" in a more general way: While F can be expressed as a derivative of the vector potential A, also j can be expressed as a derivative of the "potential" P. Neither A nor P are completely fixed by specification of F and j, respectively, but there still is some freedom of "gauge".
 
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DrDu said:
The two are the same. I meant "choice of gauge" in a more general way: While F can be expressed as a derivative of the vector potential A, also j can be expressed as a derivative of the "potential" P. Neither A nor P are completely fixed by specification of F and j, respectively, but there still is some freedom of "gauge".
If so, then H and D are also not completely fixed by specification of F and j. Is that what you are saying?
 
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Yes, exactly.
 

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