Polymer Solution Thermodynamics: Flory-Huggins Theory of Polymer Solutions

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the partial molar Gibbs free energy of mixing using the Flory-Huggins theory of polymer solutions. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved, particularly focusing on partial derivatives and their application in the context of polymer solutions.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving the partial molar Gibbs free energy of dilution from the Flory-Huggins expression, citing rusty math skills, particularly with partial derivatives.
  • Participants share the Gibbs free energy of mixing equation and its components, including volume fractions and the interaction parameter.
  • There is a breakdown of the Gibbs free energy equation into parts, with attempts to take partial derivatives of each component.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the partial derivative of a specific term and emphasizes the need to reduce expressions to a common denominator.
  • One participant questions the validity of treating certain derivatives as constants and seeks confirmation on their approach.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correctness of a previous statement while indicating that the partial derivatives of other terms need more careful consideration.

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Participants generally agree on the structure of the equations and the need for careful handling of partial derivatives. However, there is no consensus on the correctness of specific derivative calculations, as some participants express uncertainty and seek clarification.

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Participants note that certain assumptions, such as treating some variables as constants during differentiation, may affect the outcomes of their calculations. The discussion reflects ongoing refinement of mathematical approaches rather than settled conclusions.

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Homework Statement


(Note: This isn't an assignment problem, more a curiosity about the derivation of an equation - hopefully it is still posted in the right forum..)

I have working through the derivation for the partial molar Gibbs free energy of mixing from the Flory-Huggins expression for the Gibbs free energy of mixing, however my math skills are (very) rusty - especially when it comes to partial derivatives.

Homework Equations


Gibbs Free Energy of Mixing (Flory-Huggins Theory):
ΔGM=R·T[n1·ln(ϕ1)+n2·ln(ϕ2)+n1·
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
·ϕ2]

partial molar Gibbs free energy of dilution:
Δμ1=R·T[ln(1-ϕ2)+(1-1/r)·ϕ2 +
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
·ϕ22]

where
KB=Boltzmann Constant,
ni=number of moles of i,
ϕi=volume fraction of i,
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
=Flory-Huggins Interaction Parameter

ϕ1=N1/N0=N1/(N1+r·N2)
ϕ2=(r·N2)/N0=(r·N2)/(N1+r·N2)
N0=N1+r·N2

where
N0 is the number of lattice sites
N1 is the number of solvent molecules
N2 is the number of polymer molecules, each occupying "r" lattice sites (or "r" segments)

and R=KB·NA
where
NA= Avogadro's constant

The Attempt at a Solution


ΔGM=R·T[n1·ln(ϕ1)+n2·ln(ϕ2)+n1·
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
·ϕ2]

applying R=KB·NA
ΔGM=KB·T[N1·ln(ϕ1)+N2·ln(ϕ2)+N1·
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
·ϕ2]

expressing ϕ1 and ϕ2 in terms of N1 and N2 gives
ΔGM=KB·T[N1·ln(N1/(N1+r·N2))+N2·ln((r·N2)/(N1+r·N2))+N1·
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
·(r·N2)/(N1+r·N2)]

Next step would be to take the partial derivative of the equation with respect to N1, I've tried many times but I cannot get anything close to the equation for the partial molar Gibbs free energy of dilution..

I broke it up, letting
Ψ1=N1·ln(N1/(N1+r·N2))
Ψ2=N2·ln((r·N2)/(N1+r·N2))
Ψ3=N1·
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
·(r·N2)/(N1+r·N2)

taking the partial derivative
1/dN1=ln(N1/(N1+rN2)+[1-(N1+rN1N2)/(N1+rN2)]
2/dN1=-N2[(1+rN2)/(N1+rN2)]
2/dN1=
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
[(rN2)/(N1+rN2)]+N1
79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png
[(-rN2)/(N1+rN2)2

which when I plug it all back in, gives me a big mess..
 
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tetrakis said:

Homework Statement


(Note: This isn't an assignment problem, more a curiosity about the derivation of an equation - hopefully it is still posted in the right forum..)

I have working through the derivation for the partial molar Gibbs free energy of mixing from the Flory-Huggins expression for the Gibbs free energy of mixing, however my math skills are (very) rusty - especially when it comes to partial derivatives.

Homework Equations


Gibbs Free Energy of Mixing (Flory-Huggins Theory):
ΔGM=R·T[n1·ln(ϕ1)+n2·ln(ϕ2)+n1·[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png·ϕ[SUB]2[/SUB]]

partial molar Gibbs free energy of dilution:
Δμ1=R·T[ln(1-ϕ2)+(1-1/r)·ϕ2 +[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png·ϕ[SUB]2[/SUB][SUP]2[/SUP]]

where
KB=Boltzmann Constant,
ni=number of moles of i,
ϕi=volume fraction of i,
[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png=Flory-Huggins Interaction Parameter

ϕ1=N1/N0=N1/(N1+r·N2)
ϕ2=(r·N2)/N0=(r·N2)/(N1+r·N2)
N0=N1+r·N2

where
N0 is the number of lattice sites
N1 is the number of solvent molecules
N2 is the number of polymer molecules, each occupying "r" lattice sites (or "r" segments)

and R=KB·NA
where
NA= Avogadro's constant

The Attempt at a Solution


ΔGM=R·T[n1·ln(ϕ1)+n2·ln(ϕ2)+n1·[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png·ϕ[SUB]2[/SUB]]

applying R=KB·NA
ΔGM=KB·T[N1·ln(ϕ1)+N2·ln(ϕ2)+N1·[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png·ϕ[SUB]2[/SUB]]

expressing ϕ1 and ϕ2 in terms of N1 and N2 gives
ΔGM=KB·T[N1·ln(N1/(N1+r·N2))+N2·ln((r·N2)/(N1+r·N2))+N1·[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png·(r·N[SUB]2[/SUB])/(N[SUB]1[/SUB]+r·N[SUB]2[/SUB])]

Next step would be to take the partial derivative of the equation with respect to N1, I've tried many times but I cannot get anything close to the equation for the partial molar Gibbs free energy of dilution..

I broke it up, letting
Ψ1=N1·ln(N1/(N1+r·N2))
Ψ2=N2·ln((r·N2)/(N1+r·N2))
Ψ3=N1·[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png·(r·N[SUB]2[/SUB])/(N[SUB]1[/SUB]+r·N[SUB]2[/SUB])

taking the partial derivative
1/dN1=ln(N1/(N1+rN2)+[1-(N1+rN1N2)/(N1+rN2)]
2/dN1=-N2[(1+rN2)/(N1+rN2)]
3/dN1=[PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png[(rN[SUB]2[/SUB])/(N[SUB]1[/SUB]+rN[SUB]2[/SUB])]+N[SUB]1[/SUB][PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/9/c/79c40dd2b43f3c03eaf88b5fc4c199b8.png[(-rN[SUB]2[/SUB])/(N[SUB]1[/SUB]+rN[SUB]2[/SUB])[SUP]2[/SUP]

which when I plug it all back in, gives me a big mess..
Start out with ##\frac{\partial \psi _3}{\partial n_1}##. You need to reduce the rhs to the least common denominator. You almost have it. At least get that term.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Start out with ##\frac{\partial \psi _3}{\partial n_1}##. You need to reduce the rhs to the least common denominator. You almost have it. At least get that term.

Chet

Hey Chet,
Thanks for the help, I've got the third term now. Am I even close with the other 2 terms? I've been playing around with them a bit more, but I can't quite seem to get it, especially the first term with the ln(1-ϕ2)
 
for ##\frac{\partial \psi _2}{\partial N_1}## I'm taking ##\frac{\partial N _2}{\partial N_1}## and ##\frac{\partial ln(rN_2)}{\partial N_1}## as zero based on the assumption that it is similar to taking the derivative of a constant, would this be correct?
 
tetrakis said:
for ##\frac{\partial \psi _2}{\partial N_1}## I'm taking ##\frac{\partial N _2}{\partial N_1}## and ##\frac{\partial ln(rN_2)}{\partial N_1}## as zero based on the assumption that it is similar to taking the derivative of a constant, would this be correct?
This is correct. But your partial derivatives of psi1 and psi2 with respect to n1 are both incorrect. You need to be more careful. Try again.

Also note the phi1 = 1 - phi2

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
This is correct. But your partial derivatives of psi1 and psi2 with respect to n1 are both incorrect. You need to be more careful. Try again.

Also note the phi1 = 1 - phi2

Chet
Thank you, I've gotten the correct equation now.
 

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