Polynomial of degree 3. splitting field.

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The discussion revolves around finding the necessary and sufficient conditions on parameters \(a\) and \(b\) such that the splitting field of the polynomial \(p(x) = x^3 + ax + b\) has degree exactly 3 over the field of rational numbers \(F\). The scope includes theoretical aspects of polynomial irreducibility, root analysis, and the use of discriminants in cubic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that for the splitting field to have degree 3, \(p(x)\) must be irreducible in \(F[x]\) and should not have any rational roots.
  • Another participant suggests examining the discriminant \(\Delta = -4a^3 - 27b^2\) and argues that for the splitting field to have degree 3, \(\Delta\) should be less than 0 and \(\sqrt{-\Delta}\) must be rational.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the discriminant's role in cubic equations and acknowledges the need to learn more about it.
  • One participant proposes using a substitution to transform the cubic equation into a quadratic form, questioning the conditions under which a quadratic has two real rational roots.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conditions required for the splitting field's degree. There are multiple competing views regarding the role of the discriminant and the irreducibility of the polynomial.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the discriminant and its implications for cubic equations, indicating a potential gap in knowledge that may affect their arguments.

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If $F$ is the field of rational numbers, find the necessary and sufficient conditions on $a$ and $b$ so that the splitting field of $p(x)=x^3+ax+b=0$ has degree exactly $3$ over $F$.

ATTEMPT:
If $p(x)$ is not irreducible in $F[x]$ then the splitting field of $p(x)$ over $F$ can have degree $2!=2$ over $F$.
Thus $p(x)$ should have no rational roots.
Now.
Claim: $p(x)$ should not have any complex root (in the field of complex numbers).
Proof: Suppose it did. Say $\alpha$ is a complex root of $p(x)$. Now since $p(x)$ is a polynomial of degree three it has at least one real root say $a$. Let $E$ be the splitting field of $p(x)$ over $F$. Then $[F(a):F]$ divides $[E:F]=3$. $[F(a):F] \neq 1$ since $p(x)$ is irreducible in $F[x]$. Thus $[F(a):F]=3$. Clearly $\alpha \not \in F(a)$. Thus $[F(a, \alpha):F] > [F(a):F]$. Since $[F(a, \alpha):F]$ divides $[E:F]$, it follows that $[E;F]> [F(a):F]=3$.

So all three roots of $p(x)$ in the field of complex numbers are real.

Now what do I do?
 
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have you considered looking at the discriminant? in this case $\Delta = -4a^3 - 27b^2$. now argue that $\Delta < 0$ and $\sqrt{-\Delta}$ is rational (you might want to consider the vieta substitution:

$$x = w - \frac{a}{3w}$$

to see where I'm coming from).
 
Deveno said:
have you considered looking at the discriminant? in this case $\Delta = -4a^3 - 27b^2$. now argue that $\Delta < 0$ and $\sqrt{-\Delta}$ is rational (you might want to consider the vieta substitution:

$$x = w - \frac{a}{3w}$$

to see where I'm coming from).
I don't know what the discriminant is in case of cubic equation.
I didn't know that the question requires that knowledge.
But thanks for your post Denevo. I will attempt this question again after reading more about the cubic.
 
use the substitution i mentioned, and then multiply through by $w^3$. you should get a quadratic in $w^3$. what are the conditions that a quadratic has two real rational roots?
 

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