Is Basra's Popular Uprising the Key to Overthrowing Saddam's Regime?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the reported civilian uprising in Basra against Saddam's regime, examining the implications of this event, the involvement of the Iraqi army, and the responses from allied forces. The scope includes political, military, and humanitarian perspectives, as well as concerns about civilian safety amidst the conflict.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants report a civilian uprising in Basra, highlighting the Iraqi army's violent response against its own people.
  • Others express concern that the uprising may lead to increased civilian casualties due to the untrained nature of the participants facing professional soldiers.
  • A viewpoint suggests that the U.S. employs "last man standing" tactics, allowing local forces to exhaust themselves before intervening.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of reports, questioning the reliability of sources and the extent of the uprising.
  • There are claims that Iraqi civilians are being coerced into supporting the Iraqi army and are suffering casualties as a result.
  • One participant notes the potential for misinterpretation of events, suggesting that reports of civilians joining the fight may actually refer to military personnel in civilian clothing.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of the uprising, with some suggesting it may be a minor incident related to food distribution rather than a significant revolt.
  • Participants reflect on the strategic decisions made by military commanders, questioning their effectiveness and the consequences of their actions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the nature or significance of the uprising. Disagreement exists regarding the interpretation of reports and the implications for civilian safety and military strategy.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of independent confirmation of reports, potential biases in news sources, and the complexity of interpreting military actions and civilian involvement in the conflict.

N_Quire
A civilian uprising is reported to be taking place in Basra against Saddam's troops. The Iraqi army is firing on its own people and the allies are trying to help the uprising.

This is the news we have been waiting for.
 
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I'm sure our guys appreciate the help, but the Iraqis need to chill out for a bit longer while we soften up the resistance a little more.
 
I agree, althought the sentiment reveals a little something about those "ellection results", I fear this will increase the number of civillian casualties. These are untraned ill-equipped people going against proffessional soldiers with military-issue weaponry, I worry for them.
 
This is typical of the "last man standing" tactics used by the U.S.: Let the locals fight until both sides are exhausted; then, win the war in a glorified clean-up operation. (Hey, that is how it was done in both world wars.)
 
Originally posted by Ben-CS
This is typical of the "last man standing" tactics used by the U.S.:

What complete rubbish. Have you even read about the incident?
 
What complete rubbish.

I agree.
 
what i have read instead is that iraqi people are assisting the iraqi army and are being consequently getting butchered by US armymen.women and children are also out on the streets with the guns to 'give their life for the saddam'.their have been apprehensions that the so called 'missed bombs' are being deliberately targetted at specific civil areas where resistance against US army was expected.

please don't jump on me for US bashing.i am not claiming the validity of these newsreports.similarly, nor can you for yours.

damn yellow journalism
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Look, if the reports are true, then we can all agree it is a very good thing. But I have seen very little independent confirmation so far.
Let's hope it is a true report, not an exaggeration.
 
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Originally posted by teddy
what i have read instead is that iraqi people are assisting the iraqi army and are being consequently getting butchered by US armymen.women and children are also out on the streets with the guns to 'give their life for the saddam'.their have been apprehensions that the so called 'missed bombs' are being deliberately targetted at specific civil areas where resistance against US army was expected.

please don't jump on me for US bashing.i am not claiming the validity of these newsreports.similarly, nor can you for yours.

damn yellow journalism

You've been reading the Daily Mirror
 
  • #11
Originally posted by teddy
what i have read instead is that iraqi people are assisting the iraqi army and are being consequently getting butchered by US armymen.women and children are also out on the streets with the guns to 'give their life for the saddam'.their have been apprehensions that the so called 'missed bombs' are being deliberately targetted at specific civil areas where resistance against US army was expected.

please don't jump on me for US bashing.i am not claiming the validity of these newsreports.similarly, nor can you for yours.

damn yellow journalism
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Let Truth Prevail
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I think yopu are reading about a separate incident. I may be wrong, but it is possible that the reports we have heard about "Iraqi military personel dressing in civilian clothing to launch surprise attacks" might be viewed (and reported) by someone else as "civilians joining the fight". Which one is true, who knows?

But the civilian uprisings are a separate story.
 
  • #12
The impression I'm getting now was that it was a relatively minor incident with people rioting over food distribution... sigh. A column of Iraqi armor did just breakout of the city, heading south...
 
  • #13
NOT a very smart move. Their commander is either leading them to surrender, or he is leading them to slaughter. That was a HUGE mistake. Oh well, life is hard.
 
  • #14
That was a HUGE mistake. Oh well, life is hard.
Unfortunately in battle you don't get to learn from your mistakes. Only the mistakes of others who died in making them.
 
  • #15
Patriotism sometimes cloud rational judgement.

May that be a lesson to us all.
 

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