Ports versus mileage on the ocean - which cost is most significant?

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The discussion centers on the comparative significance of port costs versus ocean travel costs for companies operating large container ships. Participants explore various factors influencing these costs, including ship size, fuel usage, and port fees, while considering the implications for shipping economics.

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  • Some participants question whether the costs associated with being in port or the costs of traveling over the ocean are more significant for container shipping operations.
  • One participant suggests that a voyage of 2000 miles might not be simply twice as costly as a 1000-mile voyage, indicating a need for deeper analysis.
  • Another participant mentions the potential impact of ship type, such as geared versus non-geared ships, on overall costs.
  • Cost estimates provided include $1000 for short-distance shipping and $2000 for long-distance shipping, though these figures are not universally accepted.
  • Fuel costs for a 10,000 TEU container ship are estimated at around $100,000 per day, leading to significant total costs over a voyage.
  • Participants discuss various port fees, including docking, wharfage, and other associated costs, but express uncertainty about their total impact compared to voyage costs.
  • One participant provides a rough breakdown of costs per container, suggesting that the customer ultimately bears all shipping costs, which complicates profit calculations.
  • A participant references a PDF document on liner shipping costs, indicating it supports their views while challenging others, although it is noted that some data may be outdated.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether port costs or ocean travel costs are more significant, and multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing shipping costs.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their estimates, including variability in port fees, fuel prices, and other operational costs, which may affect the accuracy of their claims.

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For compaines that operate large container ships, which costs are more significant - the costs of being in port or the costs of traveling over the ocean? Is a voyage of, say, 2000 miles about twice as costly as voyage of 1000 miles? Or perhaps the particular ports the ship uses are more significant than the length of the voyage.
 
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Have you researched the factors that might matter? As an example, geared vs non-geared ships.
 
You know, you can get an online shipping cost estimate. What I found putting numbers in is that it costs $1000 to ship a container a small distance and $2000 to ship one half-way around the world. You can put your own numbers in and draw your own conclusion.
 
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For ship size of say a 10000 TEU container ship, fuel usage is around 100,000$ day.
For a 10 day trip 1M$. - 100$ per container fully loaded.
I don't see port fees approaching that value at all, would include the docking and wharfage fees - tug, security, berth space, servicing, pilotage, container fees, tonnage fee, etc,.. a list. Difficult to get an estimate here as it takes some digging and calculating for each port as they are all not the same.
Not sure even how much loading, unloading costs - assuming 100$ container on a general container. Extra expenses such as temperature control, storage, dangerous goods, etc, would be reflected in the client charge upfront so even if the ship pays, he has already charged that to the customer.

Rough guestimates.
Note that a ship that size cost around 100M$, so the company has to recoup that cost and the financing insurance, which works out to be around 40000$day - 400$ per container per 10 day trip - largest expense I think, which makes sense as a ship not moving is not making any money.

Then maintenance, labour, head office costs, non 100% loaded -- ?? - 100$ per container.

A 1000 mile trip for a container would have a customer charge in the vicinity of !000$, around a buck a mile.
Customer eventually pays for all the costs of shipping in his price to ship. A fully 100% ship makes more money per container.

Profit - If you add up those costs per container I get something like 600$ container, for a profit of 400$ per container on a 10 day trip - seems a bit excessive so I must be missing something in the guestimates - maybe 40$ per container per day profit for the owner is reasonable if one looks at it that way. Or $14M per year doing about 30 trips of 10 days each and 2 days at each dock.

That's the best I can do.
Some investigation would be in order to refine shipping costs.
 
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