Position as a function of position?

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The problem involves a particle's acceleration defined as a function of its position, specifically a(x) = (1.8 s^-2)x. The questions focus on determining the speed of the particle at a specific position and the time taken to travel between two positions.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of acceleration and velocity, with some attempting to derive a time function from the velocity. There are questions about the correctness of integration steps and the form of the equations used.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering alternative perspectives on the integration process and questioning the assumptions made in previous attempts. There is a recognition of differing interpretations of the equations involved, particularly regarding the integration constants and forms.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating a variable acceleration function and are addressing potential errors in the integration process. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to the acceleration's dependence on position.

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Homework Statement


Here's the problem:

Suppose the acceleration of a particle is a function of x, where a(x) = (1.8 s^-2)x.

a) If the velocity is zero when x = 1.0 m, what is the speed when x = 2.9 m?

b) How long does it take the particle to travel from x = 1.0 m to x = 2.9 m?

Homework Equations



a = dv/dt

v = dx/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



I managed to figure out how to do part a.

a = dv/dt

(dt/dx)a = (dv/dt)(dt/dx)

Since v = dx/dt, the above equation becomes

a(1/v) = dv/dx which becomes

a dx = v dv.

Integrating both sides gives you

v^2 = (1.8s^-2)(x^2) + C (s is seconds)

Since v = 0 when x = 1.0 meters, C = -(1.8s^-2)(m^2) (m is meters)

So the final function is v^2 = (1.8s^-2)(x^2) - (1.8s^-2)(m^2)

Plugging in x = 2.9 m, gives 3.65 m/s which is the correct answer.

I can't figure out part b. I tried using the same approach as in part a to find a "time function" :

v = dx/dt so

dt = (1/v) dx

However. when I integrate this, it doesn't give me the correct answer which is 1.29 s.
Can anyone please help me?
 
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a dx = v dv.
Check the above integration.
You have obtained
v^2/2 = 1.8(s^2)(x - 1)
v = sqrt[2*1.8(s^2)(x - 1)]
dx/dt = sqrt[3.6(s^2)(x - 1)]
dt = dx/sqrt[3.6(s^2)(x - 1)]
Now you can find the integration.
 
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To rl.bhat,

Shouldn't it be (x^2 - 1) instead of (x-1)? And I did the integration. It gives a natural log equation that doesn't give me the right answer
 
The integration adx = ax and integration of vdv = v^2/2. Now proceed.
 
asap9993 said:
To rl.bhat,

Shouldn't it be (x^2 - 1) instead of (x-1)? And I did the integration. It gives a natural log equation that doesn't give me the right answer
To asap9993

Yes, x2‒1

Also, It's v2 like you had, not v2/2.

Altering rl.bhat's solution with those changes gives:

√[1.8(s‒2)]dt = dx/√[(x2 - 1)]
Integrate to get t ≈ 1.287 s
 
SammyS said:
To asap9993

Yes, x2‒1

Also, It's v2 like you had, not v2/2.

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Integration of xn = x(n+1)/(n+1)
 
In asap9993's equation, a dx = v dv, the quantity, a, is not a constant. a = kx, where k=1.8s‒1

So, upon integrating, asap9993 dropped the 2 in the denominator on both sides.

kx·dx = v·dv → kx2/2 + C/2 = v2/2

→ (1.8s‒1)x2 + C = v2 , which is what asap9993 had.
 
OK. That is correct.
 

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