Intrinsic coordinates kinematics problem

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving intrinsic coordinates, specifically focusing on the relationship between velocity, acceleration, and position. Participants are analyzing the equation of motion derived from the acceleration expression and exploring the implications of the resulting velocity function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the velocity function and question the calculation of a constant involved. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the velocity changes sign, leading to considerations of physical interpretations of imaginary velocity. Some participants suggest that the problem may relate to particle motion in a constrained path.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing corrections and raising questions about the physical meaning of the results. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of imaginary velocity and the constraints on the particle's motion, though no consensus has been reached regarding the exact interpretation.

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Participants note the absence of information regarding the normal force, which affects the understanding of the curve shape and the nature of the particle's movement. There is also a mention of the potential for the particle's motion to be confined within specific intervals.

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Homework Statement
A particle moves along a defined curve so that its acceleration tangential component: ##a_t=-ks##, where k is a constant and s denotes the arc distance respect to a point Q.
a) Find an expression for the velocity as a function of s.
b) Supposing that at Q its velocity equals 3.6 m/s and at A (s=5.4 m) 1.8 m/s, find k and its curvature radius at A knowing that the acceleration has magnitude 3.0 m/s^2.
c) Find at which distance the particle inverts its movement.
Relevant Equations
##\vec v= v e_t##
##\vec a= a_t e_t + a_n e_n = \frac{dv}{dt} e_t + \frac {v^2}{\rho} a_n##
So I know that ##a_t = \frac{dv}{dt}=-ks## and ##\frac{dv}{dt}=v\frac{dv}{ds}## then: $$v dv=-ks ds \rightarrow (v(s))^2=-ks^2+c$$ and using my initial conditions it follows that: $$(3.6)^2=c \approx 13$$ and $$(1.8)^2=13-5.4k \rightarrow k=1.8 \rightarrow (v(s))^2=13-1.8s$$
What bothers me is finding at which point it turns, I am having trouble even getting started, any help would be appreciated.
 
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I think it asks to find the s for which velocity changes sign that is from positive becomes negative. I guess the distance s for which ##v(s)^2=-ks^2+c=0##.

btw I think you have a mistake in the calculation of k, shouldn't it be ##(1.8)^2=13-(5.4)^2k##?
 
Delta2 said:
I think it asks to find the s for which velocity changes sign that is from positive becomes negative. I guess the distance s for which ##v(s)^2=-ks^2+c=0##.

btw I think you have a mistake in the calculation of k, shouldn't it be ##(1.8)^2=13-(5.4)^2k##?
You are right about my mistake! Glad you could help me. One question though, does this represent a physical situation ? Considering that when the rhs is negative square root becomes complex
 
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Well to be honest I found it hard to answer your question, but I THINK that the physical interpretation of the imaginary velocity we get for ##s>\sqrt\frac{c}{k}## is that the particle moves through the curve in the opposite direction.

EDIT: On second thought I believe imaginary velocity means that the particle can never be there and that its movement is confined for s between ##-\sqrt\frac{c}{k}<s<+\sqrt\frac{c}{k}##
 
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Delta2 said:
Well to be honest I found it hard to answer your question, but I THINK that the physical interpretation of the imaginary velocity we get for ##s>\sqrt\frac{c}{k}## is that the particle moves through the curve in the opposite direction.

EDIT: On second thought I believe imaginary velocity means that the particle can never be there and that its movement is confined for s between ##-\sqrt\frac{c}{k}<s<+\sqrt\frac{c}{k}##
Maybe it could model a particle movement in an ellipse or circle.
 
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Maybe it could model a particle movement in an ellipse or circle.
Maybe, we don't have any information about the normal force so we don't know what curve shape it is and whether it is a closed curve. However i believe that is not the point here. The point is that the particle is restricted within an interval. Like a particle that is restricted within a semi circle or a semi ellipse and moves back and forth.

To prove this, using the definition of acceleration ##a=\frac{d^2s}{dt^2}=-ks## and solving for s(t) we find that s(t) is sinusoidal. So indeed the particle moves back and forth (along a curve not necessarily in a straight line).
 
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