Position, Displacement & Force Vectors: Solving 3D Vector Problems

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving 3-D vectors, specifically focusing on two particles, A and B, and their respective position and displacement vectors. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correct positioning of these particles in a three-dimensional space and the formulation of the associated force vector.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the coordinates of particles A and B based on their distance from the origin and the relationship between their coordinates. Some participants suggest using geometric methods, such as drawing and applying Pythagorean theorem, to clarify the positions of the points.
  • Questions arise regarding the implications of the corrected relationship between x and y for particle A, and how this affects the setup of the problem.
  • There is discussion about the need to create a unit vector for the force vector and how to incorporate the given magnitude into the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem setup and offering guidance on geometric approaches. There is a focus on clarifying assumptions and ensuring the correct relationships between the coordinates are understood, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster corrected a misstatement regarding the coordinates of particle A, which has led to further exploration of how this affects the problem. The need for clarity in the geometric interpretation and the application of Pythagorean theorem is emphasized.

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Homework Statement


I'm working with some 3-D vectors, which I'm a bit unsure about. I may have more of a clue than I think, but I could use a bit of assistance. So...

I'm dealing with two particles, A and B. A is on the x-y plane where x=y (*corrected: this was mistyped as x=7 when originally posted; it should be x=y) and is 20 meters from the origin, while B is on the y-z plane where y=z and is 40 meters from the origin. Write the two position vectors A and B in terms of their components, and the same for the displacement vector R that goes from A to B. Then, write a force vector F with magnitude 20 Newtons and pointing from A to B (also in component form).

The Attempt at a Solution



My initial and probably primary issue with this problem is determining where these two points are. I presume in digging through my thoughts that A is at point (20, 20, 0) and B (0, 40, 40). That would mean that my components are (for A) 20i + 20j and (for B) 40j + 40k. I'm not positive about this, though, and I'd appreciate some advice. As for the force vector, I realize I need to use (create) a unit vector to do this, but how do I create a vector that is in this 3-D form? My thought is that I could do this when I have the other vector components, but how do I use the magnitude (20 Newtons) in order to solve this?

Thank you for any assistance!
 
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It's a matter of actually drawing it out to solve for things =).

Such as the first part; x = 7 and is 20 meters away. We can use Pythagoreans theorem to this. x = 7, R = 20. a^2 + b^2 = c^2; b^2 = c^2 - a^2; b (This is y) = sqrt(20^2 - 7^2).

Then you have an idea of where it should be in the y direction =).

For A: [x y z] --> [7 y z]

It's just setting it up geometrically (using triangles) to understand where they are and applying some stuff here and there =). There's nothing too tricky about it, it's just how you go about doing your work.
 
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Thank you, that does help. I do unfortunately have to say that I apparently glossed over it in my proofreading, but the question should state that "x=y" and not "x=7." What does this do for the development of my triangle? Does that mean that the two sides are 20 and 20, since the point is 20 from the origin?
 
No. You have a point A in the x-y plane, such that its distance from the origin in 20 and its x coordinate is equal to its y coordinate. So, one can construct a right angled triangle with sides x, y and 20 (where 20 is the hypotenuse). Try using Pythagoras' Theorem on this triangle to obtain x and y (remembering that x=y).
 
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