Position vs Time Graph: Simple Harmonic Motion

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to simple harmonic motion, specifically focusing on the phase constant in a position vs time graph. The original poster seeks clarification on their calculation of the phase constant, which they believe differs from the textbook answer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the phase constant using the cosine function and compares their result to the textbook answer. Some participants question the validity of the textbook's answer and explore the equivalence between cosine and sine forms in the context of phase shifts.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in exploring different interpretations of the phase constant and the relationships between trigonometric functions. There is a recognition of the standard forms used in the context of the problem, and some participants express concern over potential discrepancies in the textbook's answers.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding which trigonometric function to use for defining the phase, as well as the implications of working in degrees versus radians. There is also mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the correctness of the textbook's answer, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



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I seek specific help with (a) only. The answers to this question are provided in the back of the textbook, so I know the answers (I hope).

Homework Equations



##x(t)=Acos(\omega t+\phi _{0}),##

##v_{x}(t)=-A\omega sin(\omega t+\phi _{0})=-v_{max}sin(\omega t+\phi _{0}),##

##v_{max}=\frac{2\pi A}{T}##

The Attempt at a Solution



For (b), I got ##v_{x}(0)=13.6 \frac{cm}{s}##

For (c), I got ##v_{max}=15.7 \frac{cm}{s}##

Both of these answers are correct, according to the back of the textbook

For (a) (the phase constant), however, the back of the book says the correct answer is ##\phi _{0}=-\frac{2\pi}{3}##

I got: ##\frac{1}{2}A=Acos(\phi _{0})\Rightarrow cos^{-1}(\frac{1}{2})=\phi _{0}=\pm \frac{\pi}{3}##, for which I got ##-\frac{\pi}{3}## since it's moving to the right at ##t=0 s##

With this answer, I was able to acquire the right answers for (b) and (c). Furthermore, I was able to accurately graph the same graph provided in the text using my answer, but not so with the answer given in the textbook. I'm lost, really. Can someone please help point something out that I'm missing?
 

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I agree with your solution. As a check, if we go 1/6 of a wavelength to the right of the origin we hit the peak. cos(π/3-π/3)=cos(0)=1.
 
Arguably one can show equivalence between ## cos(ωt-π/3) ## and ## -sin(ωt-2π/3) ##
 
neilparker62 said:
Arguably one can show equivalence between ## cos(ωt-π/3) ## and ## -sin(ωt-2π/3) ##
The standard seems to be the cos form. It certainly appears that this is what the OP has been taught.
 
haruspex said:
The standard seems to be the cos form. It certainly appears that this is what the OP has been taught.
Yes. Anyway I think I've got that wrong - too used to working in degrees! $$cos(ωt-π/3) = sin(5π/6-ωt)=-sin(ωt-5π/6)$$
 
Thank you both for your help! And yes, the cos is what's in the textbook, although I remember from a trigonometry textbook I used once upon a time that both cos and sin can work.
 
Dorian said:
both cos and sin can work.
Sure, but in order to define the phase you need to know which is to be used.
 
haruspex said:
Sure, but in order to define the phase you need to know which is to be used.

I'm aware :) Thanks!

I'm more concerned that the textbook had a wrong answer (if this is in fact the case), which made me question my understanding in an unproductive way.
 
In essence a cos graph is essentially a sin graph left shifted ## π/2 ## radians. Thus we may right the following equivalences:

$$ cos(wt + ∅) = sin(wt + ∅ + π/2) $$ and $$ sin(ωt + ∅)=cos(ωt+∅-π/2) $$
 

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