Finding equations for simple harmonic motion given a graph

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The discussion revolves around finding equations for simple harmonic motion, particularly in the context of a pendulum in an elevator where effective gravity may vary due to the elevator's acceleration. Participants explore the implications of these variations on the period and tension of the pendulum.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the pendulum's motion and the changing effective gravity in an elevator, questioning the implications for period and tension. There is also exploration of the equations governing the motion, including the role of amplitude and phase.

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Some participants have raised questions about the clarity of the original poster's notation and assumptions, particularly regarding the definitions of variables and the expected outputs of the exercise. There is ongoing dialogue about the correctness of the interpretations and the equations presented.

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Participants note potential confusion arising from variable notation and the introduction of terms without clear definitions. There is also mention of the possibility that the exercise may require different outputs than those initially considered.

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Homework Statement
The picture shows a graph of amplitude (measured in degrees) vs time (measured in seconds) for a pendulum disturbed by different accelerations.
1) Draw the free body diagram of the pendulum in a situtation where this could happen.
2) Find the acceleration for the different periods.
3) When and in which period is the maximun and minimun tension?
4) Find ##\theta (t)## for the region of minimun period and for the following initial conditions: ##\theta _0 =10°##, ##v_o=0.1 rad/s##
Relevant Equations
##x(t)=A.sin(\omega .t)##
Well, this is a problem which makes you think more about concepts than numbers, so I want to see if I've done it correctly.

1) I draw a simple pendulum in an elevator, where you have weight, tension and a pseudo-force. In this situation the effective gravity may be changing due to different accelerations of the elevator so this makes the period change.

2) ##\theta (t)=A.sin(\omega . t)## so differentiating you'll get ##\ddot \theta (t)=-A \omega ^2 sin (\omega .t)##
In this case ##A=\frac{\pi}{180}## and ##\omega## can be easily found knowing the period, then the frequency and then ##\omega##. So you'll get three expressions which will be different just in ##\omega##. I didn't consider ##\phi## because the motion starts at 0

3) The maximun tension is always in the equilibrium point. Then if we think about the situation of the elevator, in this point ##T=mg+f*## where ##f*## is the pseudo-force due to the acceleration of the elevator. Then, if the gravity "is heavier" the period will be minimum, so the tension will be maximum when the period is the smallest.
On the other hand, the tension will be weaker when the pendulum is in the extreme point and when the gravity is "lighter", so when the period is the longest.
4) ##\theta (t) =A.cos(\omega .t + \phi)##. So you have to find ##A## and ##\phi##.
You use ##A=\sqrt{x_0 ^2 +\frac{\dot x_0^2}{\omega^2}}## and ##\phi=arctg(-\frac{\dot x_0}{\omega x_0})##.
So you get the values and replace them.
 

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##A=\frac{\pi}{180}##
Looks to me as if ##A=1## ?
 
BvU said:
Looks to me as if ##A=1## ?
Yes, but that's ##1°## and I used radians
 
You can confuse everybody by blacking out axis titles :smile: and using ##x()## and ##\theta()## to denote the same variable ...
Introducing ##\phi## out of the blue doesn't help readers either (don't bother, I know what you mean).

2) you sure the composer of the exercise wants ##\ddot\theta## and not the three effective g values ?

3)
Like Tony Stark said:
The maximum tension is always in the equilibrium point.
yes.
Then if we think about the situation of the elevator, in this point ##T=mg+f*##
You can write ##T = mg'## where ##g'## is the effective g value. But ##T## is that only if the amplitude is zero and the amplitude is not zero...
So: I don't think 3) is OK.

4) I really wish you wouldn't mix up ##x## and ##\theta## as well as ##v_0, ##\dot\theta_0## and ##\dot x_0## so much. But what I reverse-engineer looks OK.
 

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