Positive-definite symmetric matrix satisfying a certain property

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The problem involves a finite group ##G## and a homomorphism ##\rho: G \rightarrow \mathbb{GL}_n(\mathbb{R})##. The objective is to demonstrate the existence of an ##n \times n## positive definite symmetric matrix ##A## that satisfies the equation ##\rho(g)^tA\rho(g)=A## for all ##g \in G##.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to leverage definitions of positive definiteness and the properties of the matrix ##A##. They express uncertainty about how to proceed from the equation involving ##\rho(g)## and suggest that orthogonality might be beneficial.
  • Some participants question the implications of the determinant of ##\rho(g)##, noting that if it were not 1, it could lead to contradictions given the finiteness of ##G##.
  • Others suggest focusing on the representation of ##A## as ##P^tP## and mention that the sum of two positive definite matrices remains positive definite.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various properties of the matrices involved and questioning assumptions about the determinants. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of positive definite matrices, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and properties relevant to the problem, including the nature of the group ##G## and the implications of its finiteness on the homomorphism ##\rho##. There is also a recognition of the limited background in linear algebra required for the course.

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Homework Statement


We have a finite group ##G## and a homomorphism ##\rho: G \rightarrow \mathbb{GL}_n(\mathbb{R})## where ##n## is a positve integer. I need to show that there's an ##n\times n## positive definite symmetric matrix that satisfies ##\rho(g)^tA\rho(g)=A## for all ##g \in G##, where ##t## means transpose

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Well I've basically just written down definitions and tried to go from there. So for all non-zero vectors ##v## with ##n## real entries, ##v^tAv>0##, and I know ##A=A^t## Also, I know ##A## is positive-definite if and only if there exists an invertible ##n\times n## matrix ##P## such that ##A=P^tP##. But I'm not really sure where to go with that. I was wondering maybe I can start with ##\rho(g)^tA\rho(g)=A## and then show that ##A## is positive-definite, but I don't really see that going anywhere. If ##\rho(g)## was orthogonal, then maybe that would help, but again I'm not to sure. I'd appreciate any hints. Also, this is from a group theory course that only requires one quarter of linear algebra
 
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What would help me is knowing the definition of ##GL_n(R)##.
 
brmath, it's the group of nxn invertible matrices over the real numbers.

Convergence, if the determinant of \rho(g) is not 1, then
\det \left( \rho(g^n) \right) = \det \left( \rho(g)^n \right) = \det\left( \rho(g) \right)^n
takes on infinitely many values as n goes to infinity which is a contradiction as G is finite. So \rho(g) has determinant 1 for all g.

I mention this only because you said it might help if \rho(g) was orthogonal; knowing that G is finite does give you information about what the image looks like. I don't know if that helps though.

EDIT: Actually that's a red herring I think... I would suggest focusing on A = PtP, and also remember that the sum of two positive definite matrices is still positive definite!
 
Office-Shredder -- if G is finite ##g^n = g## for some n, so I'm not clear where you got inf many values for the determinants.
 
Yes, which is why if \det(\rho(g))^n takes on more than finitely many values you get a contradiction (since eventually it should become \det(\rho(g)) again). For example if the determinant was 2 then you would get that the determinant of \rho(g^n) is 2n which is impossible because eventually it has to be 2 again.

Although I realize in my above post I missed the obvious possibility that the determinant could be -1 as well.
 

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